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#1 Posted : 31 January 2008 14:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Veitch Hi, I want to buy a defribrillator for the company I work for, which is a laboratory based business employing about 170 people. Could anyone recommend a particular make or type that I should be looking at. Thanks John
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#2 Posted : 31 January 2008 14:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant There are a huge number of AEDs out there, and there's no simple "better or worse" argument - all comply with the EN standards and all are designed to do roughly the same thing. Apart from initial cost, it's worth looking at the cost of maintenance too - the price of batteries and their working lives vary dramatically across models, and since it's unlikely you'll ever use the device, high costs of maintenance can be really annoying if you didn't notice them in advance! Often the units with a higher initial price have lower maintenance costs, so you need to think it through. I suggest you talk to an independent supplier (i.e. one which retails several brands such as SP Services or Boundtree) as to your needs, and how to cover staff training etc., rather than just getting what someone else happens to like.
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#3 Posted : 31 January 2008 15:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT We have used the Medtronic lifepak range for several years now and I have been more than happy with it's inherently clever mechanism that would appear to be fairly stupid proof. They may be viewed here; http://www.pmsinstrument...alog/Defibrillators.html CFT
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#4 Posted : 31 January 2008 15:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Duell Also have a look at HomeHeart Care - www.homeheart.co.uk . Their customer services seem pretty friendly and helpful, and their prices are competitive.
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#5 Posted : 31 January 2008 17:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves I would question the need in the first place. Most workplaces ashore have relatively quick access to ambulance services. Larger passenger ships are recommended to carry them, but the regulatory authorities guidance is still "3.1 All those who may use defibrillators should be aware that their success rate in terms of lives saved is relatively low." - see http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c...xtobjid=C01A1C5B7AE1862C Colin
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#6 Posted : 01 February 2008 11:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Veitch Thank you to everyone who has supplied information regarding defibrillators, it's much appreciated. John
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#7 Posted : 01 February 2008 11:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Colin Completely disagree, No Hospital or Paramedic I know of is able to respond within 120 seconds which in heart attack victims is a crucial window. A colleague lives and breathes now due to a defib being used at work and the paramedics stated they would have not been able to act with such a rapid response, nor would he have made it to Hospital.If just one life is saved by this method was it not worth the time, trouble, effort and money? I believe it to be unlikely this is a one off isolated event. Anything that can be done for the preservation of life in my book gets a full thumbs up reaction! CFT
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#8 Posted : 01 February 2008 12:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves CFT Note your point. However, defibrillators are only a usable tool in the hands of a properly trained (complete with refresher training) person. Even then, the evidence is that they are not the universal panacea that salesmen try to infer. Each person has to do a risk assessment of their site and, once that is complete, undertake a risk/benefit analysis. As I said, I would question the need, I did not say that they should never be supplied! Colin
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#9 Posted : 01 February 2008 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rob T Hi Colin, I beg to differ a tad. Modern defibs can be used by anyone who can actually read and they are effectively idiot proof. Most London stations have them for general public use if the occasion demands it and over here in Monaco they are on most street corners. Yes it is adviseable to get some training but this is mainly for speed of use rather than any damage they may cause. The defibs will only work if someone is in defibrillation state. You are right however about them not being the panacea that some people think. They only work if someones heart is defibbing and not when it has stopped. Cheers Rob
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#10 Posted : 01 February 2008 13:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker Having recently been in Monaco I observed that they have many wall mounted defibrillators for the publice to use. However in a work setting I would ensure only trained first aiders use the defibrillators. We have just increased the number we have and use Laerdal. Easy to use and idiot proof.
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#11 Posted : 01 February 2008 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Suz I agree - very easy to use and pretty much idiot proof. Obviously, staff must be trained. Why not train all first aiders then train an in-house trainer (perhaps one of the existing first aiders) to undertake your refresher training? I worked at a place that did this - was very effective in ensuring that first aiders had their defib refresher training around shifts etc and (in the long term) kept costs down.
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