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Posted By mike morland
Has anyone heard anything or seen any publications that suggests that researchers at the Finnish Institute of Occupational Health have reported to the British Medical Institute that their findings challenge current widespread practice of advising workers on correct lifting techniques suggesting that it's all a waste of time and money?
Regards
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Posted By Stephen D. Clarke
Hi Mike,
Didn't HSE research a few years ago come to similar conclusions and this lead to the development of their MAC tool to try and address this issue.
regards
Steve
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Posted By David Whaley
Mike,
We carried out an extensive programme of manual handling training over an eighteen month period, we reduce injuries by 80%. However, as part of the training, the candidates were given the oportunity to raise issues, the more serious of these were addressed. So I would agree that training in isolation would probably show a poor return, but as part of a programme it can make a valuable contribution. Also training has to be repeated at regular intervals and backed up with adequate supervision.
David
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
Training a person to do something in a way that is safer can never be a waste of time. The problem as far as I can see it is that manual handling training, and other training issues for that matter should be as much a part of a young persons upbringing as crossing the road is. Consequently you dont get into a position where you are training a 50 year old guy to do a task that is routine. The VDU checklist which I recently conducted in work involved asking people if they were comfortable. With due respects to the 74 act this is ridiculous, and patronising.
The quicker somebody gets into schools and offers natural training as part of life skills the easier our job will become.
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Posted By Dave Merchant
As David says, it's not IF they get trained, it's HOW they get trained. Nobody is going to pay attention (or take seriously) a 5-hour demonstration of how to pick up a cardboard box, but if at the same time the company can find the problems and fix them, it can reduce accidents as a by-product. The MHR don't insist on training but so expect workers to follow the correct procedures - however they happen to find them out is not really that important.
As it's a day for me to throw out anecdotes, I was at a conference a few years back where a well-meaning 'trainer' was presenting an hour-long lecture on the safe use of rubber gloves. Not for handling hazardous chemicals or anything.. just for doing the washing up. Apart from the many people who just took the chance to nip out for a ciggy break or collect their voicemails, and the guy who said "if I fail this can I still use mittens?", the outcome that mattered was the person who said "...but we don't get issued gloves". Training wasn't the problem, but it found what was.
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Posted By mike morland
Thanks for your responses guys.
Have downloaded the MAC tool you mentioned Steve and will review where necessary.
I also agree with the comments that any form of training has to be of some benefit as opposed to non and as a qualified trainer I have been training our employees for several years and as such intend to continue.
My 2-hour session is interactive and amazingly - FUN and although MH cannot be totally avoided at all times, my company has recognised , through RA, the areas where machanical intervention has been able to be installed.
Have a good weekend. Now where did I put those Marigolds?
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Posted By D H
Hi Mike - totally agree with Dave.
When you try to change someones habits by showing them a "safe" way to lift without explaining why, then they go back to their old habits quickly.
The training needs to cover employee responsibilities under the Act and the need for them to assess the load against their own capabilities.
The training must be refreshed and work then needs to be supervised. Its like everything else - do it often enough and it becomes a habit - with proper guidance and supervision - a good habit
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Posted By Chris Pope
A waste of time is hardly a scientific conclusion !
Training done poorly is actually worse than a waste of time
Trainers should present material which they have personally followed and know from experience will benefit trainees.
We are in the business of "selling" so our product should speak for itself. What we cannot do is force delegates to change their opinion. in simple terms my object in manual handling training is to get people to think more when lifting and try alternative postures which enable them to position themselves better.
After that it is up to their supervisors what they do.
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