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#1 Posted : 13 February 2008 08:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By D smith Hi all Our company have looked into taking away seating away from CNC Setters in our factory,does anyone know anything about the legal aspect of this? Thanks in advance
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#2 Posted : 13 February 2008 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch As long as they are not sitting on them at the time!
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#3 Posted : 13 February 2008 09:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT Do you know the reason why the company are considering this? Of course, there could be serious ergonomic implications, if the task can be comfortably done from a seat, that could mean that a standing person would have to stoop to perform the same task.
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#4 Posted : 13 February 2008 10:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By D smith No stooping would not be a problem as the machinery is large im thinking more about operators having to stand on their feet all day (8-11 hours), some with medical problems. Im really struggling to find pro's (employers side of things) and con's (employees side of things)as i can only seem to find legislation associated with DSE work stations and not large machinery.
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#5 Posted : 13 February 2008 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally Have a look at Reg 11 of the Workplace (health, safety and welfare) regs. This covers workstations and seating. essentially it say that seating should be provided if possible.
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#6 Posted : 13 February 2008 10:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Regulation 11 of the Workplace(Health, Safety and Welfare) Regs 1992 state that all workstations should have a seat where "..whose work includes operations of a kind that the work (or a substantial part of it) can or must be done sitting." The tricky part is whether the lull time between actually being at the CNC machine is considered "work". I think this is the time they are using the seats, yes? Look at the guidance document (especially guidance note 81-88). Those with a medical condition should seek a written response from their GP/specialist and provide that to the HR dept., "To log the fact that the company has been notified of special conditions applying to this situation" (so there can be no doubt if/when problems occur, that the company knew of their obligations to consider the individuals.
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#7 Posted : 13 February 2008 10:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By D smith "The tricky part is whether the lull time between actually being at the CNC machine is considered "work". I think this is the time they are using the seats, yes?" yes that is correct it is the lull time.
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#8 Posted : 13 February 2008 11:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By AL WHSW Regulation 11 (3) states; 'a suitable seat shall be provided for each person at work in the workplace whose work includes operations of a kind that the work (or a substantial part of it) can or must be done sitting. Shall is a given, it does not say ‘can’, ‘maybe’ or should etc so if they can do it sitting down they are entitled to a seat.
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#9 Posted : 13 February 2008 11:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Melanie Fellows From my own experience, it sounds as though they are setter/ operators, therefore once their "work" is done ie setting, they are basically minding the machine (watching and checking the odd component), which is why they like to sit down/ traditionally have chairs provided. We had a few chairs, but generally, you went off to set another machine, and left an operator to look after the one you've just set, the operator generally wasn't allowed to sit down (but that did depend on the cycle time). Management generally don't like people sitting down, as it looks like they're not doing anything. But if there's a medical reason or your assessment says they should sit down, why not? The only other aspect is, what else would they be doing if not sat down minding their machine? Should they be sweeping up etc. and in that case what would happen if their machine crashed and they weren't there to control it??? or the components went out of tolerance - how much scrap would this generate before it was noticed and corrected? Mel
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#10 Posted : 13 February 2008 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Konstanty Budkiewicz D, You asked about the legal position regarding the provision of seating during manufacturing processes. The need for seating arises from ergonomic (Man/machine interface) assessment as indicated by previous responders. The web link; http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg90.pdf provides a basic overview of the the considerations to be made on this matter. The assessed needs should have primacy over local and historical precedence and or prejudice. Kon CMIOSH
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