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#1 Posted : 13 February 2008 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Askins I have taken part in medieval re-enactment for many years, and having recently received my IOSH Managing Safety certificate, I have therefor been press ganged into being our societies Safety Officer! As such I am updating and revising all of our Risk Assessments, Emergency Plans, etc. I have however taken a moment to look around the HSE site and the IOSH site for advice, but can find little except to do with firearms and explosives in re-enactment. There are a couple of oddities to re-enactment which do not appear to be covered and I wondered if anyone could advise! Firstly while what we do could be considered a Stunt Performance, but with Competent Amateurs, and therefor does it fall under the same requirements for things like stunt coordinators? Secondly we have open fires (and in one instance a Forge) but I can find little guidance on safety zones, distances to which the public should be kept for safety, etc. ANY advice would be appreciated! Many thanks in advance James
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#2 Posted : 13 February 2008 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter The BBC used to have some useful H&S stuff on their public website. Similar issues with OB dramas. Not much help I know, but there may be something there for you?
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#3 Posted : 13 February 2008 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brett Day The HSE do the ETIS sheets that are a very useful source of information. Blue Room is a web forum for stage / theratre again a good source of information. Do you use weapons in your re-enactments? If so there are certain things that you'll need to be doing especially if in a public place. Drop me a line, I act as safety advisor and Company / Stage Manger for a couple of theatre companies, I've got some info including a notification to police form for weapons in public. Depending on what you are doing, a fight arrangers qualification may be more appropriate.
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#4 Posted : 13 February 2008 13:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bryan Goldsmith 16052 - Is this a case of sending Health and Safety back to the dark ages or will you be seen as a 'knight in shining armour' -
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#5 Posted : 13 February 2008 13:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Askins Greatly appreciated swift responses! We do use blunted blades in our displays, but take care to ensure appropriatly roped off areas for all displays, and a safe distance from the public (Plus signage and appropriate warnings before displays). All those taking part in the display itself have recieved appropriate training (and I'm putting in place record keeping for this as well). We do not use black power or explosives at all! To much paperwork for a hobby! :-) Keep it comming! James
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#6 Posted : 13 February 2008 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By MP Grayson Have you "GOOGLEd" the sealed knot etc (English civil war) and asked them if they would share info. (Forge fires etc). Also try the HSE for info on Blacksmiths. There is also a company somewhere out there that does Napoleonic war re-enactments. Complete with camps etc. Cannot remember the name, but they do shows at Belvoir castle near Grantham. HSE may help with horse riding stuff. I tried to avoid any puns as I don't want to cross swords with you. Crack on with the show and good luck.
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#7 Posted : 13 February 2008 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Askins All good ideas you would think, but I'll let you into a secret, a group of re-enactors is also known as an "argument" :-) There is no real definitive opinion across the board, I've got connections in the Knot and Napolionic, they suffer the same problems! (and additional ones, for instance in Medieval we use plate armour "PPE" where as in Napolionic, they can't!) But anything is worth a shot, so I'll pull some strings about the forge and fires.
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#8 Posted : 14 February 2008 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim Corbett James The organisation I belong to has taken an approach very simular to a Health and Plan like that produced under CDM. Treating each activity as a sub contractor with each supplying realevent HS info into the plan. We also use the basics of HS with weapons. With each person having to show competence to be able use that weapon i.e. Training, experience and qualification. This covers swords, muskets and pikes. http://www.nares.org.uk/ is a good place to gain information. As to safe distances again just apply good HS basics distance from a fire to public? 2m or there abouts, the hardest thing is trying to convince the public that we are using a real fire and yes it gets hot!! Your blacksmith may need to check with his / her insurance people (the people who keep us all employed) what they will need for him to have in place to demostrate to the public. If you have contacts with other groups see what they have produced. Just remember to still have fun
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#9 Posted : 14 February 2008 17:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick 8 The Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974 (HSWA) should not be used to cut across the freedom of individuals voluntarily to take risks outside their working environment. Where there is no employment, there should be no intervention by an enforcing authority in the sporting or other activities of private clubs as described in paragraph 2 above, except in reaction to serious incidents or follow-up of complaints.
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#10 Posted : 15 February 2008 11:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs I have been doing Dark Age re-enactment for 15 years now, and resisted being pulled into the H&S stuff too much. I give support and advice when asked though. NAReS is a good start because they are the focal point of a lot of good experience. The HSWA74 does not apply, correct - but it is good practice to follow that and a selection of the regs made under it. Some of them are very helpful afterall. No society is after hurting its members or visitors. Insurers like it too. It also gives you common ground with LA's when they visit. It is difficult to balance safe distance against being close enough to see, and safety against realism / anachronism. Some metals are fiery when struck, others not. Most smiths will know the difference. 2m sounds reasonable - but you have to be flexible to suit the situation, the environment, and the crowd levels (escape/dodging sparks?). Having all fires and all crafts attended by responsible people is the best start - preferably someone not involved in the craft. They should be looking in particular for visitors wearing fabrics that do not mix well with fire - nylons, rayon, etc - children and adults alike need to be kept away from open fires if they appear to be wearing synthetics. Anywhere you have a fire, have enough water to douse it. Blunted swords are props, not weapons. We all call them weapons, but that is bad practice - we should make the distinction. I will pass your email to our H&S guy and see if he is willing to let you have a gander at his work (which is quite good). Nice to see a few fellow re-enactors here :-) We may even cross swords some day at a multi-period (bring back Kirby Hall).
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#11 Posted : 15 February 2008 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Askins Tabs, Thanks for the mail. Good point, Blunted Props NOT Weapons... Will modify my assessments to take this into account, makes things MUCH easier! And you never know, I know a load of guys in Regia and some in Vike, the wife is a Closet Vike anyway so I keep feeling the "Dark Age Pull" as it were. While we all acknowledge Re-enactment is a hobby not work (although it sometimes feels like it) as you say its good practice to work to higher safety standards. As an example I've been looking at the Stunt Performance Guidance Notes. While we are not stunt men, if we work to a similar standard, we are demonstrating a commitment to higher standards then neccesary (afterall what we are doing is not as dangerous at stunt men.... officially) It does raise an interesing point however. If we are being paid as a society for an event (even if the members may not be paid directly), are we working? Does HaSaW apply?
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#12 Posted : 15 February 2008 13:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh I used to be involved in Medieval Re-enactment every day; it was 25 years ago on a chemical plant...........sigh.........those were the days. Cheap PVC suit, cheap PVC gloves taped up to get a seal............useless RPE, being sprayed with Nitric acid, breathing toxic gases.........great times.
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#13 Posted : 15 February 2008 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT We have a senior member of IOSH who is involved in such activities, I will see if it is possible for him to assist with some advice for you. C
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#14 Posted : 15 February 2008 16:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By James Askins That would be greatly appreciated! Many thanks James
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#15 Posted : 15 February 2008 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT I have spoken to him and he will, given time respond. C
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#16 Posted : 15 February 2008 23:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs James, details forwarded to our H&S man. Regarding stunt man level, we (The Vike) have done a lot of film work and TV. Sometimes we get stunt man salary, sometimes just 'extra' rates. I have done films and our safety levels exceeded the film company's really. Their own stunt men rely more on fitness than finesse. (My claim to fame was teaching Ainsley Harriet to sword fight for Food and Drink. I got to kick him a bit lol)
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