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#1 Posted : 27 February 2008 11:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Del Leslie-Dell Please could any confirm that, If a driver from a contracted company was to volunteer of his own back to unload a trailer, reports to his own company the next day for work, then during that day says he can not continue to work as he hurt him self when unloading yesterday on my premises. he admits that no-one asked him to help, he volunteered himself. does this come under Volenti non-fit injuria.
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#2 Posted : 27 February 2008 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter I believe this applies when the IP is aware of and accepts the risks. If injury is attributed to a risk that was not immediately apparent(Clapham Omnibus test)not comminucated & arising from your undertaking, premises or activities, then that defence could be on shakier foundations?
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#3 Posted : 27 February 2008 11:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter apologies for the spelling!
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#4 Posted : 27 February 2008 12:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman Sorry, at face value this looks like an employee injured in the course of his work - even if perhaps not his normal work. Volenti is really related to being injured in a situation outside of this sphere ie not in a master and servant relationship such as employment. So, stopping a runaway horse, sticking your finger in a dyke, stopping to help someone change a car wheel are what IS covered. Its history is based around being injured as a 'good Samaritan' "To he who volunteers no harm shall be done" - I think is the literal translation - someone will put me right, but in essence someone at work who offers assistance to a colleague, say, in a two man lift, as they were passing, certainly would NOT be covered by VNI. Chris
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#5 Posted : 27 February 2008 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Del, That defence would require a complete freedom of choice to apply, and as Chris J points out above, that cannot be the case in an employer/employee relationship. Alan
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#6 Posted : 27 February 2008 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick But if there was to be a claim, who should it be against his employer or Del's company?
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#7 Posted : 27 February 2008 13:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete Longworth Sorry, but I can't see how volenti would apply in this case. As for the claim, I guess it would depend on a number of factors. What procedures did the driver's employers have to govern loading / unloading at client's premises? How were these procedures communicated, monitored and controlled? The same questions could be asked for the client's procedures for unloading. It looks like shared liability to me.
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#8 Posted : 27 February 2008 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Del Leslie-Dell Hi all, Many thanks for your response, just as i thought more of a shared responsibility depending on training and procedures. there is no suggestion of a claim as of yet. But knowing we have a duty of care and he decided to help our employee of his own back, wasn't to sure. again many thanks Del
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#9 Posted : 27 February 2008 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By ITK Vicarious Liability, unless you can prove he was on a frolic. ITK
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#10 Posted : 27 February 2008 16:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brando An employee ( sales person ) goes to a site and the site is being robbed. He notices the manager getting attacked and wades into help - resulting in a beating for his troubles. VNI?? Brando
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#11 Posted : 27 February 2008 16:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman Hmm, Brando, that's a little tricky. You see, both the manager and the salesperson are both employees and both at work. The spirit behind VNFI is really not geared toward employment situations. If a member of the public out walking their pooch intervened in the robbery, well that could well be VNFI, but remember that it's a civil test to establish a common law duty of care and not a criminal test to establish breach of statutory duty. OK, you'd have a hard time arguing that the salesperson had been knowingly sent to an unsafe place of work by his employer and that the site owner failed in their duty to provide safe premises for those visiting. Well, maybe unless the premise was a security deposit facility in which case robbery would be perfectly reasonably foreseeable, of course! Just a stab here (no pun intended) but isn't this partly where the criminal injuries compensation board comes in? ie where there's a no fault liability injury? Not as part of the answer to the original thought about criminal liability, just a question as to what happens in the case that no-one (other than the burgler) was at fault Chris
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#12 Posted : 27 February 2008 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson Del, The simple answer is no it is not. Just because you do not ask for help does not mean that you know and accept the risks of injury from unloading the vehicle by yourself. Regards Adrian Watson
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#13 Posted : 28 February 2008 07:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace Del, I agree with all the comments - this is not a volenti situation. But it is not a case of vicarious liability either (as per ITK). There seems to be much misunderstanding about vicarious liability. If one employee injures another the injured party has a right to sue that employee - he does not because that person has no assets. It is a long established legal principle that the EMPLOYER is vicariously liable for the actions of his employees - so the injured person sues the employer not the other employee. A hint to remembering this - think of the common law duty of care requiring the employer to supply competent fellow employees. Hope that helps Phil
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#14 Posted : 28 February 2008 11:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amanda Was the employee acting within the scope of his/her Job Description? Did (s)he take on other duties outside this scope and 'act on own frolic'? What instructions are there for the employee with regard to deliveries and unloading/loading? What training has this person had? Agreeing with the above comments I think the Volenti non-fit injuria defence is very rarely applicable, and very difficult to prove.
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#15 Posted : 28 February 2008 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Accident at work. Very unlikely to be described any other way by a court.
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#16 Posted : 28 February 2008 13:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Del Leslie-Dell Many thanks for your most informing replies, I have learnt that his employers policies or drivers are not allowed on the back of the lorries, but my employee did not refused his help. So i still have that duty of care to the driver on my site. The only problem i have is no injury was reported to any of our staff until 6 days after the event, How can i investigate/make judgement or agree with statement made of the injury. Anyway i appreciate the help and advice given once again thankyou Del
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