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#1 Posted : 28 February 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey C Hello All wonder if somebody could help me out with a query. We have mansafe systems on our sites that enable staff to carry out works on the roof and any subcontractors brought to site for outstanding works. The query: What is the legal position of training personnel in the use of PPE in conjunction with mansafe systems? Cheers T
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#2 Posted : 28 February 2008 17:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Tracey Training training, competency, procedures, control measures etc etc. The person responsible for allowing persons to use it should also be competent and trained to understand the requirements of said system (so often overlooked, sadly); is it a restraint, an arrest system [inspection under BS 7883], what lanyard works on each and why, surface, angles, obstructions and other building hazards that you may not be able to eliminate etc. All of the above can be taught to in-house personnel by specialist instructors, and from a contractor angle you need to be certain they are indeed competent to use such a system; not easy to do if you don't have enough knowledge of procedures and the system, all learnable though. If in doubt, seek some additional external advice; not as expensive as you might think; have a word with the installers. Is it a 'Latchway' by any chance? CFT
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#3 Posted : 29 February 2008 08:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey C Hi CFT Thank you for your responce. It is a falls arrest system and we have different types on each of our sites. At present i am picking holes in some of our procedures and asking questions (finding some big gaps in proceures). The company who are inspecting some of our falls arrest systems are saying that they cannot train our staff in the use of the PPE. I just wasn't sure of the legal stance. I am also finding that yes we have these systems in place but no procedure for rescue should the inevitable happen. Might have to come back to you with more questions when i have read everything i can if that is ok with you. Very Grateful, Tx
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#4 Posted : 29 February 2008 09:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian D Jones Hi T Under the Work @ Height 2005 Regulations you must provide training in the safe use of systems provided, not necessarily by the providers of the equipment but at minimum from a competent person. Again training is a legal requirement when providing P.P.E such as fall arrest or restraint systems, including the use and adjusting of a full body harness. These systems also fall under the PUWER Regulations, and again Information, Instruction, Training & Supervision should be provided when systems of this nature are used in the workplace. You also have a duty to ensure that contractors and sub contractors are trained in the use of these systems. It is not your responsibility to provide the training but it is your responsibility to ensure that the persons carrying out their individual tasks are competent to do so, If not competent they must be supervised by someone who is deemed to be competent. Should an individual suffer a fall as you know the HSE will look for the paper trail, including training provided. Individuals wearing harnesses should be trained in the limitations of Harnesses and connecting devices such as lanyards and transfasteners used on the Mansafe system. You will also be aware that inspections and tests should be carried out on the Mansafe systems and documents retained relating to these inspections. Ian
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#5 Posted : 29 February 2008 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey C Thanks Ian. Helps me greatly. The problem i am having at the minute is the company who have fitted the system and inspect it annually won't do any training on the PPE! Tx
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#6 Posted : 29 February 2008 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian D Jones Hi T I can help you with your training requirements for PPE including awareness to the limitations of the system itself. Should you reqire further info please email me on i.d.jones@hotmail.co.uk. Ian
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#7 Posted : 29 February 2008 09:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Tracey It is not prerequisite or neccessary that you have to use the installing company for training purposes when WAH in your properties. The reason they probably won't carry out training is they are not qualified to offer an appropriate level of training to third parties; having so said thay do have a duty to ensure that you understand what they have installed and how it works. There are many providers of training for the use of such systems and you need only look around for a suitable provider. All the best CFT
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#8 Posted : 29 February 2008 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey C Thanks CFT for your advice and Ian i will e-mail you shortly. Many thanks to you both. xx
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#9 Posted : 29 February 2008 12:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Tracey I only posted again to get my little 'x', I rarely receive such a nice sign off:-) Charley
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#10 Posted : 29 February 2008 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tracey C Well Charley it just shows how much i appreciate your help. If i remember rightly you have helped me out a lot over the last couple or years and give sound from experience advice, that cannot be found in any text books. Have a great weekend. Fondest T X
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#11 Posted : 02 March 2008 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By James M Tracey You need to consider: WAH regs for planning the task, inspection of the place of work, training in WAH, rescue procedures etc PUWER 1998 for training on work equipment. This states that where new equipment or technology is introduced additional training is required. So if you have different equipment on different sites are the guys adequately trained? MHSW regs 1999 for monitoring the works and risk assessment and HSWA 74 for information instruction, training and supervision. Safe plant, equipment etc Not forgetting the PPE regs also for training, suitability of equipment etc This is a good starter for ten. regards
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