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#1 Posted : 11 March 2008 08:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H I am right in saying it's unacceptable for the mains water to be turned off, i.e. no toilets can be used/flushed, no means of washing hands, drinking water etc etc, for a whole day and expect employees to continue working? We could get round the drinking water, washing area by providing other means. But the toilets we can't. Any suggestions? Seems out of our control and in the control of the local water authority.
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#2 Posted : 11 March 2008 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT You are right, in that it would be unacceptable if there was no access to sanitary facilities. Is there a neighbouring business who could give you permission to use theirs, or will their water also be cut off? As you say, the drinking water problem is fairly easily solved with bottled water, but you must provide working toilets.
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#3 Posted : 11 March 2008 09:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H yep, exactly my thoughts, but it's one of those things you want to check out to make sure you're not missing the obvious! There isn't a neighbouring business due to where we're located. What about the option of putting portable toilets in the carpark area? (not my suggestion btw!!)
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#4 Posted : 11 March 2008 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By David J Jones You must also be able to provide warm, not necessarily hot, water for staff to wash their hands. It could be argued as a temporary measure to boil/heat (bottled) water using a kettle then mix with cold for hand washing, but IMHO that's not a particularly sparkling idea.
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#5 Posted : 11 March 2008 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Belinda Hooley We currently have this issue with the water board replacing mains. We have provided bottled water, stored water to top up header tanks so toilets can continue to flush and if necessary placed 2 porta loos in the car park. For hand washing we are using anti bacterial wipes. I have used this before in catering units and enforcement officers have found them to be satisfactory and should be ok as a temporary measure, in the same way they are often provided in porta loos. Hope this helps
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#6 Posted : 11 March 2008 09:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Belinda, this is what is being proposed, porta loo's and bacterial wipes. But I can imagine the response to having to go outside to the carpark to go to the loo!
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#7 Posted : 11 March 2008 09:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Also, what are the legalities, if the water bods want to turn off the water all day, are they obliged to provide porta loos, if not, who should meet the costs?
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#8 Posted : 11 March 2008 10:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs "But I can imagine the response to having to go outside to the carpark to go to the loo!" ??? Well, they have a choice. Who is so pampered that they can't put up with that for a day? I would suggest that solution is perfectly reasonable given the extraordinary circumstances. If they go to a public event such as a County Show, or Music in the Park, they would use the portaloo wouldn't they? Anyone too delicate to do so might have to stay away for the day (without pay, bah humbug!) The costs would depend on the contract you have with the water company - one for others. I would prefer soap and cold water, followed by anti-bac wipes if I had the choice ... wipes don't always cut it in my opinion.
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#9 Posted : 11 March 2008 16:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Derek Williams Brenda, When the floods hit Tewkesbury last year we operated with portable toilets and washing facilities, for a few weeks my company employ 175 personnel and all got on with it, no complaints, they do have running hot water these days, in fact several people wanted to keep the executive pods that we had because they were superior to our in house toilets. Regards, Derek.
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#10 Posted : 11 March 2008 17:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Tabs Why soap and water followed by anti-bacterial wipes? Unless you are in an extremely sensitive situation (e.g. ICU, Operating Theatre) soap and water, even if cold, is all that is required. Anti-bacterial wipes should generally only be used where soap and water is not available and where hands are not visibly soiled with organic matter. Chris
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#11 Posted : 21 March 2008 20:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Frank That's wholly unacceptable, there has to be adequate hand washing facilities and drinking water. Such a situation would prompt anonymous calls to the HSE. I was on a site in January where there were a couple of hundred people working installing temporaries. When we were installing cables there had been leak from the waste and our cables became covered in s***. There was no water at all, none of the portaloos had loo roll or antibacterial handwash. I left the company, I'm not working in those conditions. Not worth the hassle of phoning HSE, since I raised my objections and left it would look like it was me that had called. A couple of weeks later the newspaper had a headline that 12 sites were visited by the HSE, 10 or 11 of them were issued improvement notices.
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#12 Posted : 22 March 2008 22:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Hi Beth, Apart from the requirements in CDM 07 now, just what facilities would you like to have if you were working outside for 7 days or so?
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#13 Posted : 24 March 2008 19:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By M. Thompson Hi Brenda, Just a note, if you do decide to go with (the perfectly acceptable) option of portaloos, you must remember the one toilet per 25 or part thereof employees. If they don't like it, tough, as it is a temporary measure, you are doing everything that you can. Mike.
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#14 Posted : 24 March 2008 22:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest Hi there Brenda, Most local water by-laws states that buildings must have at least 24Hr water storage. Therefore your building should have a stored water supply so that you can use sanitary convenience etc, in the event of an emergency or scheduled supply cut.
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#15 Posted : 24 March 2008 23:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest Brenda, "unacceptible for water mains to be turned off" The water bods are require to provide a wholsome water supply, to this end this will entail essential maintanence of the water infastructure and therefore the water being turned off. Unless your busisness is a Hospital or Nuclear Power Plant etc then it is acceptible for the mains to be turned off for planned/emergency maintanence to be carried out. The water bods have the legal right to cut your water supply and will only do so if it is essential. Local water by-laws are put into place to deal with water cut off or shortages. Do you have any business continuity plans in place to deal with emergencies?
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#16 Posted : 26 March 2008 08:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian_P Hi, I know it's probably too late but here's my tuppence worth. We had a similar situation at one of our depots recently where all water supplies were cut off for a day. At first there was the usual "can't do that - health and safety!" but the more you think about it, it's perfectly reasonable that there is going to be occasional disruptions to normal 'service' for essential repair and maintenance work. It's just something we need to cope with as managers, and humans! Washing and drinking facilities weren't a problem but toilets were. We spoke to the water board who told us that they have the right to cut water supplies off for certain time periods (I think it is 24 hours). They don't need to provide portaloos and you have no chance of getting reimbursed for your expenses during this period. (N.B. as correctly mentioned by previous poster this is different for health critical industries). To get round it we simply had a word with a neighbouring premises who allowed us to use their toilet facilities. Pairing up with a neighbouring site is a good idea for many reasons and now this 'agreement' forms part of our, and their, business continuity plans.
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