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Posted By Alan Templeton
Hi is there anyone out there who could give me some advice.
A member of my local church fete committee, has decided to do a Hog Roast this summer, to raise some funds, and has asked me to do the risk assessment on the portable hog roaster.
This machine is being made by a small local engineering company.
As this machine is a one off (i think they have seen one somewhere else, and copied the design) does the manufacturer have to comply with the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Reg's 1992, Gas Appliance (Safety) Reg's 1995.
Also what about CE procedures and Technical Files.
Would anyone already have a risk assessment and method statement in the use of the portable hog roaster.
Any advice would be extremely apprciated.
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Alan
The last time I went to a hog roast, the cooking was done by a caterer using their own equipment; has this been considered in your case?
Paul
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Posted By Alan Templeton
Hi Paul,
The cost of the cater's (so i've been told) is for 1 pig, and all the salady stuff several hundred pounds. (between £4-900) am in the wrong business.
As we where trying to raise funds, they don't wish to go down that road.
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Posted By Bill01
I worked in the entertainment industry for many years where we built (using competent people)and used numerous bits of kit as one offs with no CE marking etc.
What we did have was sensible risk assessments and these were always deemed sufficient by the HSE, EHOs and Insurers.
Surely if you assess the risks from handling, flame etc and ensure appropriate controls are documented and implemented and everyone knows what they are doing thats sufficient.
If you're taking out insurance (always a good idea) the insurers will be able to give you more info if you need it.
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Posted By Peter Still
Alan, the legislation in your original post specifies it's scope. There is no exemption for one-offs, and a machine is considered to be "placed on the market" even if the builder supplies it to himself. I can't comment on the gas appliance issue, but it would certainly need to be CE marked under the SoM regs.
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Posted By Alan Templeton
Thanks for that Peter, that's what i thought.
I would also like to thank the previous contributors.
I am still a little confused, can i do a risk assessment (i hope it will be suitable & sufficient), as I dont want to be the killjoy adviser.
Anyone who has already gone through the procedure, would they please let me have a copy of their R/A and/or Method Statements.
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Posted By Robert Tailby Sorry to be the killjoy, but I would be very, very cautious about using a gas appliance made by "a local engineering firm" - it would be very easy to ge the design wrong, and for there to be a very big bang! Unless the engineering firm has someone competent in the design of gas appliances, I would advise against it. I am afraid I am not up-to-date on appliance design requirements but would guess that, as a minimum, you would need a flame failure device, plus the right sort of regulator for the gas being used. A quick Google turned up the following link to 1995 Regs which, even if not current (I don't know if they are), certainly give a guide to requirements. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/s...5/Uksi_19951629_en_5.htm
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Posted By Peter Still
Alan, which risk assessment did you want guidance on? That required to be done by the machine manufacturer, or that for the event? If the chef is being paid, I would think PUWER applies as well.
I agree with the earlier comment about the gas appliance issue. If the local engineering firm is charging for the service I doubt if you'll save much if anything, especially if your insurers increase their premiums. If they're not charging then perhaps they'd be willing to make a donation instead. My suggestion would be to use professional caterers, who will be able to comply with the Food Hygiene issues as well. Shop around and ask other charitable organisations if they can recommend anyone. Where are you planning to hold this event? I know someone who arranged something similar for a Scout group, who might know a more competitive caterer.
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Posted By Mitch
Alan,
I find it hard to believe it is cheaper to have a "1-off" roaster made (safely!) cheaper than hiring in. I have hired roasters and also hired in caterers for fund raising events economically (and safely!) no RA needed they do their own. I can let you have details if you want.
Mitch
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Posted By Alan Templeton
Hi Mitch.
That would be most welcome, thank you very much.
This was not going to be a one off, we were looking at doing several events per year (depending on the demand, and maybe hiring it out to other local groups - Scouts etc).
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Posted By Mitch
Alan,
just thought my contacts are local to moi, where are you based?
Mitch
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Posted By Edward Shyer
Hi Alan,
I think you have just answered you question. If you are going to hire out to other groups then you become the supplier. These requires you to meet the rquirements of, the Supply of Machinery (Safety) Reg's 1992, and if the equipment is gas fired then Gas Appliance (Safety) Reg's 1995. apply
Also CE procedures and the provision of Technical Files are required.
Regards
Ted
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