Posted By Mitch Steady on Craig, Not removed but re-hung with no locking facility, where do you work that flys (or flies?) are such a problem???

Posted By Craig107 ok spelling mistake noted. there is the possibility that there could be in excess of 50 people trying to use the door in the case of an emergency and some are in a narrow area so pulling open the door with people trying to get out seems like it a really bad idea. the fly doors have been made on site and hung over the frame of the door making rehanging them a task of rebuilding each of them again, i'm still thinking of going down the road of removing them because I think it is a bad idea having a door that requires pulling open where everyone is trying to push their way out

Posted By Colin Reeves I would suggest replacing the fly doors with these curtains of beads or similar - reasonably effective against flying beasts, but easily pushed through in an emergency. Colin

Posted By pluto I am a bit confused. If there is a need to have the exit doors open because it is too hot, (no problem there, open fire exits all you like), how does fitting a pair of internal doors solve the problem?

Posted By Geoff Armstrong Craig. You may have a much wider problem to solve here to take effective preventative action. Someone at some point has taken a decision to alter the existing safety arrangements with regard to the occupants' 'means of escape'. Was that person deemed 'competent'? Did they consult anyone 'competent'? Were safety issues even considered? Was this the easy way out to solve other issues too difficult or more expensive to tackle? Was the fire risk assessment reviewed after the modification? To improve the safety culture you will have to identify and tackle the 'root causes' of the problem... Usually senior managers who should know better! Good luck.

Posted By Geoff Armstrong Fire exits and fire doors are not necessarily the same. I'm not aware of any regulations that stipulate external doors cannot be left open. After all, we leave office windows and warehouse shutter doors open in the workplace. Some fire exit doors also double up as normal entry and exit points. Designated fire/smoke stop doors are different though. I would have no problem with a final exit door being kept open as long as the occupants didn't use the large red object adjacent to it that should be in its rightful place on a bracket, provided of course that the door is always closed when the immediate area is unoccupied. (Likewise with windows and shutter doors) If the door however was a proper fire rated fire/smoke stop door then it should either be kept shut when not in use or be linked to some type of self-actuation device to close the door automatically in the event of an emergency. Having said that though, I would be fairly sympathetic with a person in a stuffy office who wanted to prop their door open despite a sign saying 'FIRE DOOR - KEEP SHUT' provided I received assurance that the door would be closed when the office is left unoccupied or has to be evacuated. And let them know you would check! Dare I say that most Safety Advisers prefer to let common-sense prevail before being too dogmatic! They can then reserve the big stick for when it is really needed.