Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy How did these two subjects become bedfellows? I am very motivated by the whole subject of Safety in the workplace, safe systems etc but unfortunately I do not have the same passion for the environment, basically I wont be here to view the impact. I know this is selfish but it just doesnt rattle my cage, and in any case I do believe the earth has a natural resistance to all things environmental. I feel as if I am letting the side down but no matter how I try I cannot comprehend the environmental aspect of what we are trying to achieve. Does any body else feel the same?

Posted By The toecap I find it intersting and challenging. I think you may well be around to see the difference. Especially if your home floods or you house is battered by storms. As the price of oil, council tax and food goes up. Let's hope they dont build a wind farmmnear you. It s happening now.

Posted By Mitch Rob, You've set me off on a nostalgic trip down memory lane to those pre-Thatcherite days of Social Responsibility, I find it hard to believe we took it for granted once upon a time. Mitch

Posted By CFT Methinks the reason the two are 'lumped' together is it's an employer issue, as most will want to get what they can out of an H&S manager/occifer/whatever; and believe they are making a real commitment to the environment without any real consideration as to the persons competency in 'E' areas; this, is a waste of effort and energy IMO. Rose tinted specs scenario! Done properly, with 14001, it can be extremely satisfying, if one has the time, the knowledge and the where-with-all that is. CFT

Posted By David John Harris I am astonished by the previous letters. Environmental considerations in business do not consider the global issues as the utmost relevance but consider the "What am I going to get out of it scenario" By considering environmental considerations businesses can save a lot of expenditure. Recently I implemented ISO 14001 - 2004 into a multi site business with 35 depots across the UK and saved immediately an annual saving of £75,000 on waste removal whilst ensuring 75% of it was recycled. I also assisted the business in gaining £5,000,000 of business through better control of possible environmental hazards which includes H&S considerations. H&S is linked with Environmental management and overlaps consioderably.

Posted By Hamish Hi guys don't you feel they fit together as most aspects of H&S have some environmental impact on the environment. Hamish

Posted By Dav I was recently posed with a difficult conundrum. I have recently moved to Dubai to take up a position of HSE Manager for a company out here. When deciding what car to buy when i arrived, obviously there are a number of issues to consider. I travel daily on statistically one of the most dangerous roads in the world, so need a car that is safe and will protect me in an accident - Maybe something big then? The roads leading to the sites that i have to visit are often not good, and a smaller car would get stuck - a 4x4 then maybe? Part of my role is to manage environmental issues and reduce the impacts of the company on the environment. I also genuinly care and want to 'do my bit' for the world - a small efficient car then? Unfortunately the first two have to take precedence and camels are too slow, so its a big gas guzzler for me. Sorry mother nature.

Posted By garyh In my expeerience H&S and E get lumped with things like Security and Quality (sometimes HR) in the JNOEW category. Jobs No One Else Wants................