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Posted By Martin Mulholland
Hi
Just a quick bit of advice required.
We have a DSE User who has requested an eyetest. I have no problem with that.
However, the person already has glasses for correcting vision that are stated to be only used on an infrequent basis.
Does the employer then pay for the eyetest for someone who already is scheduled for a 2 yearly retest anyway.
I wear glasses myself but would not think that the employer would pay for my retests every 2 years.
This is a bit of a grey area it seems and the guidance isn't too clear (no pun intended).
We really dont mind paying for the test but dont want to set a precedent.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.
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Posted By Jay Joshi
If the employee is a designated "user", you have to make a provision for a re-test if requested by the user. The existing guidelines indiacte a 2 year frequency, unless prescribed otherwise
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
Where's the grey area? The regs seem perfectly clear to me.
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Posted By water67.
Hi, seems like the same old issue re tests and glasses for DSE. Tests are usually scheduled for every 2 years but this can be changed by circumstances or advice from the optician. In some instances for example - a history of eye disorder: glaucomaetc. in a family would mean more frequent tests although these are generally free. It should be remembered that specs for DES use are exactly that and the eye test should be specific for that purpose (at the correct distance which simulates the distance from person to screen), and not, as is often the case, a subsidy for normal reading specs. In reality only around 15%-20% of people that wear corrective eye specs need separate ones for DSE use. Also it should be remembered that the guidance is aimed at providing the minimum standard we can go beyond that. it is also guidance and not tablets of stone.. thus initiative, judgement etc.can be used.
Cheers.
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Posted By Marcus74
If:
The Employee is a "user" ie; an employee who habitually uses display screen equipment as a significant part of his normal work.
Then:
His employer shall ensure that he is provided at his request with an appropriate eye and eyesight test, any such test to be carried out by a competent person.
And:
At regular intervals after an employee has been provided with an eye and eyesight test in accordance with paragraphs (1) and (2), his employer shall, subject to paragraph (6), ensure that he is provided with a further eye and eyesight test of an appropriate nature, any such test to be carried out by a competent person.
Seems pretty clear to me. They regularly use DSE, they are entititled to the relavant eye tests and subsequent re-tests. Whether they already have prescription glasses is irrelevant, its the fact that they use the companies DSE that provides the entitlement under the regs.
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Posted By Martin Mulholland
FAO Marcus74
Thanks - it was the fact that people with glasses already that was a possible issue.
FAO Coshh Assessor
Really - for a post that asks for assistance your response is less than helpful and probably a waste of your time as well as mine.
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Posted By Martin Mulholland
FAO Water67
thanks to you too!
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Posted By Marcus74
Martin
In your original post you suggested that there was a grey area regarding people already wearing prescription glasses and that the guidence wasn't clear.
The purpose of my reply, and I apologise if it came across as sarcastic, un-informative or in fact a complete waste of time, was to conclude IMO that there is no grey area because whether they already wear glasses or not is not actually relavant.
The shear fact that an employee uses DSE regularly entitles them to the eye test, re-tests etc.
Glasses, no glasses, contact lenses, false eye, it really doesn't matter.
Whether you, I or anyone for that matter thinks its wrong for the employer to pay if an employee already wears glasses may be a point of discussion, but as far as the regs go I don't see the grey area that you asked for advice about.
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Posted By Marcus74
And to answer your original question.
Yes, the employer must pay for the test, re-test etc regardless of whether the "user" already wears glasses.
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Posted By Martin Mulholland
Marcus74
Your view did not at all come across as "sarcastic, un-informative or in fact a complete waste of time" (unless you also posted under the name "Coshh Assessor" that is).
On the contrary, your responses were helpful and I thank you for the time that you have spent on this for me.
My "grey area" was that I had to be absolutely certain that this was the case before proceeding. Your responses have cleared that up for me.
Thanks.
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
I'm sorry my response came across as sarcastic, it wasn't intended to be. I was genuinely puzzled about the perception of a grey area - the regs themselves are very explicit about the eye test, so I wondered where the idea of a grey area came from.
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Posted By Simon Rosser
I wear glasses - I am a User of Display Screen Equipment. Recently I started noticing that my vision was deteriorating when reading, looking at the monitor etc.
I spoke to my company HR and they said that depending on the recommendation of the Ophthalmic Optician they would pay for both glasses and appointment if the optician stated that the cause was/could be related to DSE use.
This was the case and I now have two pairs - one for normal use and one for DSE/reading. Age creeps us on many of us- some it overtakes by leaps and bounds.
Just because one wears glasses doesn't mean that the claim can be made for normal corrective vision equipment - and so there is no need for a company to pay for these. If the optician advises that the requirement for a new prescription is related to DSE then the company will have to pay.
Perhaps if your company does regular routine medicals a basic eyetest could highlight when a users condition is deteriorating and this be used to support that persons claim when backed up by a qualified optician.
Regards
Simon
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Posted By holmezy
If anyone gets normal specs funded by the Company then they are lucky.....
the requirement is to provide specs for use with DSE equipment. This can be done with the cheapest frames and ordinary single vision lenses, after which the company still owns the specs. The specs are no good for driving, watching telly etc because they are for a specific problem over a specific focal length.
Of course, if the Company is not generous, then the user can contribute to have tints, anti scratch, better frames, varifocals etc.
Its also worth noting that less than 5% (or so) DSE users actually need specs specific for DSE use. Its normally a problem caused by eye strain, work station set up, lighting etc.
Holmezy
soon be beertime.
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Posted By Marcus74
Simon and holmzey
The original post is asking the question of whether the company are required to pay for a DSE users eye tests if he/she already wears glasses for corrective vision, and the answer is yes.
You are both correct stating that the company do not have to pay for glasses prescribed for anything other than DSE (and maybe prescription safety glasses) but this question wasn't in the original post.
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