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Posted By Ian MacAskill
We have recently updated our "First Aider" notices to have the names and photos of the current first aiders on them - the idea of the photos is part of a campaign to highlight to visitors / contractors who to go to for help - First Aiders have also been supplied with distinctive Green bump caps which also have "First Aider" embroidered onto them. I cleared the use of the photos with our H.R. department but now I have some very unhappy people who state that I cannot use their photo in this way without their permission. Has anyone else had this sort of experience?
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Posted By Brett Day
On what grounds are they stating this?
I do a little photography as a hobby and it is common place for these sorts of restrictions from models, which require a release form if I am to use the photos in the public domain or commercially, however, normally this doesn't apply to this sort of use.
I'll have a look and see.
Mods, is this something that may be worth moving to the public forum if the OP is ok with that?
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
Ian,
I suspect your underlying problem may be a 'perceived' lack of consultation on the issue.
In our case we cleared the suggestion via the H&S Committee and Staff Forum before we published any photos, so there was sufficient opportunity for objections to be raised.
None were.
As a customer facing organisation, we also had previous form in displaying photos with a first name and any specialisms in our shops.
So it was in no way a new or novel idea.
The above would necessarily depend on who gets to see the photos and whether violent interactions between customers and staff were likely - in which case I can see valid grounds for an objection.
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Posted By IOSH Moderator
Ian, we have moved this thread to the OSH Discussion Forum, in line with AUG 7, as it seemed more appropriate here.
Contact us either by sending an e-mail or using the "Report a Concern" facility if this poses you any problems.
Regards
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Posted By CRN Baker
Hi, we have done this where I work and no-one raised any objections. We gave the first aiders green hi-vis vests as a clear visual, but people forget / wash the hi vis so their hi vis is not available so we decided to go for photos.
Before we implemented the scheme the purpose of the photo was explained "so an IP or other individual (e.g. manager) knows who they are looking for". Everyone was OK with this explanation otherwise we wouldn't have been able to proceed.
As the site is quite large, it is the easiest way to identify which first aiders are available.
If first aiders are off shift / on hols or similar, then their photo doesn't get put up on the "in / out board" by the first aid room. Each of the first aiders is responsible for putting their photo up to show they're in and taking it down at end of shift.
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Posted By Mitch
Lack of communication and understanding, though I am sure if this is not handled in the correct way they would be able to stop you using their photo's. This appears from your brief description to have moved from H&S into the realms of HR.
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Posted By Dave Merchant
If you're after a legal answer on image rights then you're in the clear - if the subjects of the photos are the employees of the person using the images and are over 18 then they have no rights over your use of the images, apart from as permitted under law (for uses which are clearly defamatory, etc). There is no privacy/HRA issue as the images were collected as part of their employment. They may not *like* their faces on a wall, but they can't do anything to stop you.
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Posted By Mitch
They may not be able to stop you they could make life bloody awkward!!!! A chat over a nice cup of tea might serve better than a dictat.
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Posted By Pete Longworth
Precisely Mitch. They may not be able to stop you using the photos but exactly how are you going to get them under those circumstances, short of leaping out from a hiding place and taking the photos "happy clapping" style. And what would you do if all, or a significant number of your first aiders, decided to "resign their commission" because that was the only way they could stop you publishing their photograph.
Prior consultation and discussion is the only way forward in this sort of circumstance. Forget about the legal situation with regard to image rights, it won't help you if you can't get anyone to be a first aider.
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Posted By willhiem
dont see why photos are needed really, i worked on a site where first aiders has a sticker on there hard hat to denote them as being first aider, it seemed to work, as in no one passed any comments until they were needed. photos i'm not sure of, if its a big site then there will be a lot of people working there, how can you remember distinguish faces from a large bunch, so it will take time for people to get used of them and also how will the wearing of PPE affect recognition?
i think these days H & S are looking at new ways to bring awareness about about certain issues or are looking at involving more people etc (not strictly talking about this topic) but some people dont want to be involved and over the top pushing people into stuff they're not comfortable with or too much 'try hard' behaviour will only back fire. its like teenagers, you can try and 'be cool' by playin with them on the playstation etc but go to a club or whatever they go to (i'm not that old but i dont know what they do) and you'll be like a big sado - respect lost. its a fine line between getting people involved in something and annoying the a**e of them. i dont like training courses etc but i especially hate training courses where people use gimicks to try and get peoples attention. i genereally find more interesting and better courses where the trainer / lecturer speaks from their own experience. - totally off topic sorry.
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