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#1 Posted : 10 April 2008 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Homer I have been asked to look at marking out the road work signsage for anew carriageway but it's nt an area I have much experience in. Initial laout will really just be to warn of road works and a spedd reduction from 60mph to 30 mph over entire length. What signs should I have and at waht distance from start of works same for other end. I am also trying to source two portable electronic speed warning signs. Any help would be good.
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#2 Posted : 10 April 2008 15:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eddie You may want to contact your Local Authority as road repairs, street works etc are part of their remit. Otherwise the following documents may provide the information you are after: Regulations: Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions 1994 DfT Traffic Signs Manual - Part 1 Design and Part 2 Operation NRASWA (Red Book) Hope this helps. Eddie
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#3 Posted : 10 April 2008 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Philip McAleenan Homer, you can download the Chapter 8 books at these links, http://www.dft.gov.uk/pg...icsignsmanualchap8ro4180 http://www.dft.gov.uk/pg...icsignsmanualchap8ro5180 and the Safety at Street Works and Road Works from here: http://www.streetworks.f...uk/acoppdf/saswandrw.pdf Theu all have diagrams and model layouts, plus information on imposing temporary speed restrictions. Ensure that you use the correct book for the roads that your are dealsing with (Chapter 8 for motorways and dual carriageways with hard shoulders, SSWRW for all the rest, (though for complex situations you may need to move up to Chapter 8)). Regards Philip
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#4 Posted : 10 April 2008 19:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP The traffic management required will depend upon the speed and type of road. Chapter 8 of the Traffic Signs Manual provides guidance on the provison of traffic management. I would suggest that if you have never done this type of work before on live carraigways, then you walk away from it or get suitable training. The pretender will possible spell out any qualifications required, such as national highways sector schemes. The alternative will be to allow a traffic management company to set out the signing for you...
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#5 Posted : 10 April 2008 19:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP PS - Chapter 8 covers all roads, not just motorways and dual carraigeways (note)...
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#6 Posted : 10 April 2008 19:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Michael Reid Hi, As stated by Eddie one main reference point is the New Roads & Street Works Act. ( Red Book ) This will give all details of layout, sign distances, required signs, even down to the number of traffic cones and set up of workforce work safety zone. In Scotland another reference is the RAUC(S) Regulations although this gives more info regarding excavation and reinstatement specification once contract has commenced. Regards.
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#7 Posted : 10 April 2008 20:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Hamish Hi Homer the lads are right about the red book it is a good place to start but you must have the relevant qualifications to supervise road works in the highway. There is a lot involved from issuing notices to your local authority. Seek advice from them they are usually willing to advice and sometimes ask you to attend a meeting on site to assess what the works involve. Hamish
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#8 Posted : 10 April 2008 20:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Homer There is a legal requirement for specific training on this type of work - withoput it do not even try. Get a traffic management contractor to set it out for you. Too many people seem to forget the training requirements under New Road and Streetworks nowadays. Hence the quality of signing and guarding is getting so poor and the number of accidents coming to court are on the rise. Get trained before you attempt this or leave it to those competent to do it. Bob
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#9 Posted : 11 April 2008 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel Ditto B Lewis A sign of competence is to know when you are out of your comfort zone so you get some advice from others / get others in - obviously you have shown some competence in asking the question; so now listen to the advice given e.g. get somebody in and / or become competent re this area The risk you have here is far greater than many appreciate best of luck
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#10 Posted : 11 April 2008 17:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP The Legal requirement for qualification under the New Roads and Streetworks Act Part III extends only to Utility companies and thier contractors carrying out streetworks. Works for highway purposes do not legally require qualifications, but under the provisions of the HSAWA you do need to ensure training and competence to carry out any work. Holding a qualification may justify competence. The qualifications under the NRASWA will not cover the type of work you mention...
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#11 Posted : 13 April 2008 09:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis RP Are you seriously saying that signing and guading does not apply to the construction of a new carriageway? Also at some point this new carriageway is going to link to an existing road at some point at which point the newbuild has to comply with the NRSWA. Also it is not clear that this is not a widening of an existing route. The advice is still the same whatever from me- Chapter 8 provides the stnadard for ALL interfaces between drivers and road workings, of whatever type. I would seriously question any organisation that does not demonstrate clear competence to set up road signing and guarding. The poster stated clearly that he has no previous experience or knowledge. Thus there is no competence demonstrated to do the work. SCOTVEC provide a recognised register and it is difficult to see how one can demonstrate competence under CDM07 without this "qualification" Bob
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#12 Posted : 13 April 2008 14:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP Hmm... As I said, the type of work the 'poster' mentioned would not be covered by the qualification for signing, lighting and guarding under the provisions of the Streetworks Act 1991 as it does not apply in the case mentioned. I am seriously saying this because if he placed employees on this qualification they would not learn what is required for moving/mobile works. I was not implying that signing was not required. It is important that posters get the right information to make an informative decision.
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#13 Posted : 13 April 2008 19:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Sure agree with you but the poster is looking for a 60 to 30 mph drop and this suggests work on an exisiting road. I get very uncomfortable when non experienceed people start to lay out road signage and guarding. having said that some of the programmes around are very good and are used by many TM contractors. Bob
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#14 Posted : 14 April 2008 21:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By RP Agreed, such as the National Highway Sector Schemes for temporary traffic management, which would be more appropriate for the case mentioned.
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