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#1 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smiff A neighbour of mine is very distraught after a death occurred at her workplace. She works in a Local Authority Shelter for people with various severe problems. Early one morning she found one of the residents dying, raised the alarm, contacted the resident nurse and called in paramedics who were unable to save the poor chap. Someone has told her that as she is a First Aider, and did not do what she'd been trained to do, she could somehow be held liable to prosecution. I think this is a bit harsh and have told her not to worry. She's very hard-working and I think she coped quite well in a very stressful event. I'm annoyed that someone in her employer's organisation has ruined her weekend with this threat, rather than thanking her for doing all she could? Does anyone have any experience of similar events?
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#2 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Smiff, No experience of this but what didn't she do? Mitch
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#3 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smiff She's been criticised for getting the nurse rather than applying her resuscitation training (that she's never had to use except on Annie)
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#4 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Smiff, undergoing training in first aid does not impose any strict duty to use the training and calling a duty nurse may well have been the best option in that specific circumstance. The person who has given bad advice regarding potential prosecution should themselves be advised to keep their erroneous and uninformed opinions to themselves in as strong a language as possible. Your neighbour will have her own opinion on whether her actions were appropriate, probably for many years to come, without any external criticism.
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#5 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Can't see any problem, this has been discussed at some length previously, see this thread (and others) http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...iew&forum=1&thread=35009 Mitch
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#6 Posted : 14 April 2008 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Smiff Thanks David, though rather more eloquently put, that's pretty much what I told her last night (over a couple of pints)
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#7 Posted : 14 April 2008 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally I would hope that what the lady told her informant was unprintable! From the sounds of it she did what all first aiders have to do when faced with an incident. That is make an assessment of the situation and make a decision about what the best course of action is with the available resources. There are no absolute right or wrongs in scenarios like this. She did the best she could and no-one can do any more. Sorry for the rant but I know from experience how awful something like this can make one feel without unhelpful people making stupid comments.
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#8 Posted : 14 April 2008 14:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adie During my training course for First Aid at Work, the liability subject was raised. The instructor pointed out that there has only ever been one attempt at a private action against a first aider, which, unsurprisingly went against the individual doing the suing! The instructor added that it would be incredibly unlikely that a judge would entertain a case against a first aider who acted in the patients best interests and in accordance with training given. As an individual, I would not have volunteered as a first aider if I could be held personally accountable and sued!!! My goal is to try and save life, prevent the condition from worsening, not to be sued... Tell your friend she did exactly the right thing.
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#9 Posted : 15 April 2008 08:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Smiff Is she going to attend the Coroners Court? If yes, she should get a lawyer and not discuss such serious matters on line. If no, this topic has occupied many threads in the past. Steve
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#10 Posted : 15 April 2008 08:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By David John Harris I agree with all that has gone before in this discourse but would add in First Aid training it is said that the FA should obtain help by either contacting (themselves) or by designating another to get competent help and then carryout their duty of attempted rescusitation until the professional help arrives. No chance of being a prosecution, however, but maybe refresher training?
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#11 Posted : 15 April 2008 08:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie I agree with others that this lady has done nothing wrong. In fact on the last first aid refresher course I did (2007) it was explicitly stated that, in such a situation (if the 1st aider was on their own) they should summon help before attempting resuscitation.
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#12 Posted : 15 April 2008 12:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Not a lawyer, but, from what we know there is nothing for your friend to worry about. Hopefully she did what she thought was correct at the time. First aiders are not lawyers. What if she was not a first aider what would she have done? Raise the alarm and get a qualified nurse to attend as quickly as possible? This seems to be exactly what she did, how long ago did she do her training, possibly too long to have a go, if it was more recent perhaps she put the person in the recovery position and then went to raise the alarm and get help. Or being rather synical, perhaps she was alarmed at the situation and took the best course of action she could think off at the time. Whichever she acted the way she felt appropriate at the time. Reassure her that she will not face any charges or other procedings as there is no evidence of any criminal or other type of action against her. Unless of course she caused the problem in the first place which seems to be a bit OTT. Reassure her that she acted in an appropriate way as there was someone with a higher standard of training available so she did what she thought was the best form of action.
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