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Posted By steven n
None of the older work equipment in our workshop have any emergency stop buttons, I have advised the workshop manager to address this but he is under the impression that pillar drills do not need E stops. I have pointed out the requirements under PUWER but would like to know of any prosecutions to speed him up a little.
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Posted By Mitch
Nice one, no guard, no ES and cotton gloves! IP had a death wish.
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Posted By steven n
Thanks for that Sharon, exactly what I am after, should give him food for thought!
Steve
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
The new corporate manslaughter legislation changes may be worth looking at from the manager's viewpoint if he has so little regard for employees' safety with moving machinery!
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Posted By N Goodwin
Steve
You are both right. You need to read BSEN 418 Safety of machinery- Emergency stop equipment, functional aspects - Principles for design and carry out a risk assessment.
The standard states that "machinery shall be provided with emergency stop equipment, except for:
- machines in which an emergency stop would not lessen the risk, either because it would not reduce the stopping time or because it would not enable the special measures required to deal with the risk to be taken"
You could argue that fitting an emergency stop to a pillar drill would not lessen the risk
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Posted By Mitch
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I accept your point on not fitting one to a pillar drill however as it would not lessen the stopping time, I would argue that in an emergency situation an emergency stop is easier to operate than the conventional rotary switches fitted to 'older' drill thus facilitating a quicker stopping time.
Mitch
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
We use foot operated stop switches on most workshop macines. Much more useful when your hand is wrapped around the drill bit...
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Posted By John A Wright
You have to look at each machine individially.
Foot-operated e-stops are not always effective in a real accident situation. They are rarely used (and should not be used routinely) so they can be forgotten in those critical seconds, and if the operator is pulled towards the equipment he gets into a posture where he cannot see the e-stop and/or his foot can't find it.
Hand-operated e-stops are preferred at most of the sites I've RA'd, usually placed on the side of the most likely free hand.
Many machines can be fitted with brakes which improve the effectiveness of e-stops, e.g. on drills and particularly commonly used on band-saws to stop the blade in less than 10 seconds.
Some high-powered machines, though, are not suitable for brake devices.
John W
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Posted By John Richards
The [large] pillar drills and the radial drills had an emergency stop function that [effectively] reversed the motor to stop the machine. It stopped it in less than 1 second (Drive-Lock).
The "it takes so long to stop that the emergency stop is useless anyway" opt-out was used at work to avoid replacing a broken emercency stop, until it was pointed out that since one was fitted it had to work. It was the insurance company inspector who won the argument, by just giving the company a notice that the lathe was not insured until fixed. In fact, most of the H&S at work is achieved by the insurance company inspections. The HSE wander in (every 10 years) and do nothing, the insurance inspectors come in every six months and examine the fork lifts, overhead cranes, lifting equipment (strops/chains) and machinery. Anything wrong and they just don't get to be on the insured list. It makes a change from having a H&S consultancy that carries-out a H&S audit every six months without even coming onto the shop floor.
And with the current obsession with litigation (shown to be a fallacy, the amount of compensation claims are actually going DOWN) it looks as if H&S gains [for the workforce] are going to be via the insurance company.
Let's close down the HSE and give their jobs to the insurance companies. A win-win situation, it saves on public money and gets the job done.
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Posted By John A Wright
Wow, thanks for that John Richards ;o)
At my 'good' customers the insurance company only examines Fork Trucks and Pressure Vessels/Systems. Another contractor does the rest of the LOLER.
I'm doing all the PUWER assessments and getting the equipment modified with switches, guards etc.
Isn't that generally the norm in factories with a good H&S system today?
John W
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Posted By JWG
Its a good HSE case to use. I too was injured doing a similar thing (before I went into H&S). I was wearing cotton gloves (because it was very cold) and went to wipe away the swarf. My glove got entangled but luckily a managed to drag my hand so it didn't get wrapped around the chuck and I hit the emergency button. The material of the glove cut deep into a finger. I was a split second away from very serious injuries. There was an adjustable guard in-place but without that emergency stop button it would have been a different story.
Does anyone know if older machines, for instance a pillar drills, are exempt from emergency buttons if not originally designed to have them or should machines have them regardless of age and therefore required to be rectro fitted?
Thanks
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