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Posted By Anthony Edwards
Hi,
|Has anybody got any advice regards engineers driving to a task, conducting that task then driving back to the company premises. I am concerned about maximum hours that this should take, some engineers may face a four hour drive one way then sort out the problem then drive back!
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Posted By water67.
Problem here is lack of detail guidance/regs on this issue. Check past threads there have been a few recently on this issue.
cheers.
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Posted By mark gough2
Although not strictly applicable the HSE tends to base their driving policy on guidance given to other drivers a summary can be found at the following link.
In a nut shell up to 8hrs driving/work then not much problem
between 8 and 11 then there should be an option to stop over
over 12 hours and you really should stay over.
This is of course subject to all the other RA caveats, but with new guidance requiring police incident investigators to ask purpose of journeys this is likely to become an issue.
http://www.transportcafe...ers_hours_april_2007.doc
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Posted By Helen C
I contacted ACAS on this a while back - from what I remember (not much I'm afraid....memory like a sieve) they gave me some very good and clear advice.
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Posted By Brett Day
I would second Mark's advice, likewise, if they are doing four hour drives they should be reminded of the need to take regular breaks (highways Agency recommend 15 minutes every two hours as a rule of thumb).
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
ROSPA also have some good advice within their website.
We ask our drivers to take driving breaks every two hours, and they always go out in pairs in case a job of work runs well over due to what is found when covers are taken off.
The other driver can then share the driving time scale to the next hotel / accommodation site / next work location, depending on time of day / night.
Every job gets a driver / worker self produced risk assessment done on site as well. They have every right to refuse to work in any bad conditions or to call a halt if time is running out on their allotted work times.
The work is also set out to minimise long drives wherever possible apart from perhaps the first geographical drive from home base to a set work area, ie North of Scotland, or South East England.
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Posted By Derek J Golding
The Ministry of Defence has a useful guide about reducing driver fatigue. Whilst it is meant for the military operational context it has good words about napping and regular breaks. It does sort of concentrate on 24 hour waking periods and the like so doesn't easily slide across into civilian life. If you send me your email address to djgolding@aol.com I'll send it to you. My concern is that accidents that happen on the roads are investigated under the RTA and are not the stuff of H&SAW. I would wish to see every employer treating road accidents as if they were accidents on site and make sure they investigate them properly. A traffic accident on site could result in a RIDDOR report, an RTA on the roads would not. Where is the consistency? Perhaps, if the Police, in their investigation, ascribed blame on employers demands on drivers we might start getting somewhere.
My team are instructed that driving is work and they must ensure that the integrated total should remain within their working hours otherwise two drivers must share the load. I also insist that they work to LGV rules for drive/rest ratios.
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