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Posted By Terry Hampton
Hi Folks, within the workplace we have two pool hoists for helping those with disabilities in the water. A member of staff Carry's out this training, they have years of experience, but no formal qualification (because there is none available). The guidance we are getting from our HS Advisor is this may have to stop due to the fact the member of staff has not been trained himself. This problem is escalating to other areas of in-house training. Any thoughts?
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Posted By Dave Merchant
You've answered your own question - if there's no formal training available for the task, then the only (and best) definition of a 'competent trainer' is someone with lots of experience. I'd take that over someone with a random scrap of paper any day.
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Posted By Clairey O
Having worked in swimming pools for a number of years, many of them with hoists.
We used to bring the manufacturers in to do a trainer course for a number of site staff, who could then go onto to deliver operator training, during on going staff training.
Drop me a mail if you have any more questions...
C
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Posted By Roger White
H&S advisors who come out with this nonsense are the ones who get the industry a bad name. They are not trying to cover your backsides, they are covering their own.
As has already been said, a simple demo by the manufacturers is often all that is needed. Make sure that the staff using it have received manual handling training and that you have carried out a risk assessment, otherwise let the experienced operator pass on that experience to others.
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Posted By Chris G
More worms.
I'd sugeset to the HS&E person could they acept a demonstration of the competency of the trainer. And then question the HS&E persons competency to understand whether the demonstrtion is competently done. In other words I'd try to get them thinking where does it all end...
Chris ;-)
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Posted By Lawson12
I would be interested in checking the competancy of your health and safety advisor!
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Posted By jayjay
Gents !
It seems that this subject has raised it's head again and not wishing to step on anyones toes or judge other peoples opinions this is the way i see it ! The hoists are both covered by PUWER 98 and LOLER 98 therefore person/s using this type of equipment should be competent and trained, the lifts planned and SSOW and risk assessments provided too. The person carrying out the training wether in-house or sourced externally should also be trained in instructional techniques. The person delivering the training should give both theoretical and practical training talking about legislation this equipment comes under, routine inspections both visual and operational and also showing the trainee best practise in the operational side of the equipment. This can be followed up by a short test for the trainee to ensure understanding of the equipment.
Once this training is complete the instructor would provide a certificate of 'Basic Training' because that is all thats been provided. Now if that person was shown a 'quick demo' by an experienced operator with no documentary evidence to show who trained him/her, how long the training was, who the accrediting body was etc how could that H & S Advisor defend them in a court of law if there was a serious accident/fatality ? In a court of law they will ask if that person has been trained and if the reply is yes, then the next question will undoubtably be PROVE IT ! So documentary evidence or 'that scrap of paper' and fulfilling the rest of the criteria for the training will assist you in compliance with legislation and best practise.
Regards, JJ
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