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Posted By jasonT
We are in the middle of removing asbestos soffits from houses, to reach the soffits each property has had scaffold erected to allow the removal team safe access, the CDM-C has now told me only the licenced asbestos removal contractor can erect the scaffold.
Is this correct? if so where in the regulations does it say this
Those erecting the scaffold are qualified but not in asbestos removal?, the removal team are not qualified in scaffold erection
A little help please
Jason
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Posted By Garry Adams
Jason
There may be issues of concern regarding containment of fugitive fibers together with issues of dismantlement of Scaffold at the end of the task...for example decontamination of Scaffold Component parts and Scaffold boards...Do the Scaffolding Contractor have the facilities to decontaminate ?. Method Statement for the erection of fully encapsulated habitats ect ?.
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Posted By jasonT
Gary
This is a general purpose scaffold and put in place for all users, it is not just for the asbestos removal team. The soffit removal forms a small part of the works
Am I to assume we have one scaffold erected for the asbestos removal contractors, then have it dismantelled then a new one erected for the other users. there are over 300 hundred houses on the estate
what about the risk surely this will increase the chance of a fall two fold.
Jason
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Posted By db
See http://www.hse.gov.uk/ab...gs/alg/licence/04-07.pdf
A license is only required where the scaffolders are likely to get a lungfull of ACM, for example, if the soffits are damaged AIB. They'll therefore need to be fully trained and have access to decontamination, suitable RPE etc.
If the soffits are in good condition then a competent scaffolder can do it. Of course, they should have asbestos awareness as standard anyway.
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Posted By Mike Miller
Jason
The scaffold you have will be fine provided all the asbestos removal procedures have been followed. The problem arises from the now contaminated scaffold! it will need to be cleaned by the asbestos people at a cost and verified by independant chemist afterwards. make sure you keep all clearance certificates and waste transfer/disposal notes in your file.
Assuming you have had a type 2 survey done asbestos cement products are relatively low risk anyway. As I said use the professionals, kep records and you will not go wrong
I had a similar problem several years ago removing asbestos roofing sheets from communal garages. Every garage and its contents had to be cleaned and verified independantly. Nighmare I know but do-able!
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Let us all say it for the CDMC - A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!!!
I despair sometimes of those who do not seem to understand what CAR 2006 is about.
Bob
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Posted By Mike Miller
Bob I agree
mention asbestos and people panic! If it is dealt with via the proper channels there should be no danger. I wonder how much experience the CDMC has had in asbestos Removal? Probably none! perhap we should invite him for a comment!
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Posted By Gerard Keane
Jason,
The first thing I would determine is what type of ACM the Soffit is. If it is cement then you do not need a licensed contractor (however they are the most competent to do so) to remove it and therefore do not need a licensed scaffolder,
If it is AIB then the following applies:
For ancillary work, you will need a licence for:
putting up and taking down scaffolding, including any scaffolded frame, to provide access for licensable work where it is foreseeable that the scaffolding activity is likely to disturb the asbestos; therefore your risk assessment will determine if there is a need for this.
Hope this helps.
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Posted By db
Chas,
The page you linked says a license is needed if you use a scaffold for an enclosure. The scaffolders are only erecting it.
If the CDM-c or client feels that they want to engage a licensed scaffolder just in case then that is a commercial decision but is not necessary unless the scaffold needs to be altered while the enclosure is in place. Many clients feel that they'll use one just in case. If the client is willing to pay for it there's no problem - as long as they understand why they are paying more and understand there is no legal need for it.
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Posted By Mark Eden
Jason
lets be pragmatic - removal of AIB soffit in good condition (not blowing in the wind) is not a licensable activity, I would imagine this is the case in question.
The CDM C can not tell the contractor how to do his job other wise he now takes on a designers role.
I am a CDM C and as far as I am aware, I am there to advise the Client not dictate to the PC.
I agree with the a previous response about CAR's 2006, mention asbestos and you might well be talking about anthrax. The substance is not dangerous if handled correctly and the right procedures are put in place and the rules followed.
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Posted By jasonT
Thanks for all your comments
The client has now insisted we use a licensed scaffolder, they are willing to pay the extra cost and manage the lost time incurred.
As I mentioned the scaffold is for general and the current scaffolder has amended their risk assessment and method statement to include the soffits & emergency procedures.
A memo sent to the head of the Asbestos Licensing Unit (ALU) in june 2007 (ALG Memo 04/07)contains a flow chart which for me explains it all, if you follow this then in my opinion we do not need to use a licensed scaffolder,
Once again thanks for all your help
Jason
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
JasonT
It is a Golden Rule of Construction
"He who has the gold sets the rules"
The client falls into this category - very definitely:-)
Bob
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