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#1 Posted : 08 May 2008 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By jess33 Hi All, I would very much appreciate help on this one. Scenario.. We have an analytical lab where liquid nitrogen is used, therefore there is potential for Oxygen depletion. Oxygen depletion sensors and alarms have already been fitted. Just wondering about system for emergency rescue. Would we be required to ensure that are BA escape sets available, personnel trained in use etc?. Would the rescue plan need to go as far as ensuring we have trained BA rescue personnel?. I presume ring 999 is not enough. Any advice much appreciated. Many thanks
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#2 Posted : 08 May 2008 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt I suggest that first you calculate the oxygen level for the worst case scenario. This may in fact put your mind at rest. With oxygen sensors in the room, there is no reason why people should ever collapse and need to be rescued - they should be instructed to leave the area when the alarm goes off. Perhaps you would like to contact me off-forum as we have a useful oxygen calculator and have some experience of this situation Jane
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#3 Posted : 08 May 2008 13:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson Jess, Unless you have identified that you would get a sudden catastrophic failure of your nitrogen system I think it unlikely that you would need a rescue team. Your oxygen depletion alarms should give ample warning of the need to evacuate the area or not to enter the area if a leak occurred while the laboratory was unoccupied. We use nitrogen in a number of out laboratories, but when we have done calculations on the possibility of a nitrogen dewer overturning, we have found that the likely oxygen depletion would not significantly deplete the oxygen levels. To my knowledge there has only been one death in a laboratory situation in the UK and that was some years ago in Scotland and involved significant volumes of nitrogen in a basement room.
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#4 Posted : 08 May 2008 13:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By jom As an aside - does anyone know of a nitrogen caused fatality in a laboratory? JOhn.
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#5 Posted : 08 May 2008 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Look here for incidents, some fatal: http://www.adm.monash.ed...tion-liquid-nitrogen.pdf Paul
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#6 Posted : 08 May 2008 14:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By steve e ashton Not sure if its the incident that John referred to, but I have knowledge of one incident which may be of interest (Health Service in Lothian): Liquid Nitrogen in an open dewar, replenished from stock tank periodically, never completely emptied... Liquid Nitrogen is cold enough to condense Oxygen from the atmosphere. So, eventually, what was in the 'mostly empty' dewar was effectively liquid oxygen. The subsequent minor spark resulted in a very rapid fire escalation. Not something that I for one would have 'intuitively' predicted. So beware Oxygen enrichment as well as oxygen depletion. Completely empty the dewar periodically to prevent problems. Steve
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#7 Posted : 08 May 2008 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt The condensation of liquid oxygen is a well known problem. Fortunately you can see it because liquid oxygen is blue! The liquid that dribbles off the outside of the pipe when dispensing liquid nitrogen from large dewars is also rich in oxygen. Jane
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#8 Posted : 08 May 2008 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Donaldson I have just checked some of my archive information. The details of death in Scotland can be found at http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/800096.stm
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#9 Posted : 09 May 2008 07:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Heesom Jess Hi, have you considered that you will be subject to the Confined Spaces regulations, a lack of oxygen is a specified risk. you can get advice and training from Mines Rescue Service (used by the Fire & Rescue Service and Water Industry). Simon
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#10 Posted : 09 May 2008 08:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson In plain common sense terms, do not rely on emergency services as your primary system for any safety requirements. They could be delayed or diverted by any other local emergency and you need to have a plan in place first that would be backed up by their presence upon arrival. Involve your local fire officer for advice, especially if a high level of oxygen could become a high risk hazard. Fire officers would want to know in advance of what situations and storage levels of chemicals and gases that they are facing before going to attend any emergency situation at your lab complex. Produce worst case scenarios through a HAZAN / HAZOP type of brainstorming session(s). Involve your local safety officer / manager in this process.
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