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#1 Posted : 13 May 2008 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By lewes Following a noise survey, how long do we need to keep the results for ?? Thanks for your input
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#2 Posted : 13 May 2008 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter These Survey findings inform and evidence your Risk Assessments, therefore they have to be kept for as long as the findings remain valid. This could mean indefinitely.
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#3 Posted : 13 May 2008 14:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By James K I aree with Ron. Even after an employee has left the services of a company he/she could possibly still make a claim for hearing loss or damage and your records would be required then. On the same topic can anyone enlighten me as to the timescale of noise surveys. I think they are every two years or sooner if you change equipment etc. I stand here ready to be corrected. Jim
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#4 Posted : 13 May 2008 14:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Doug Kelly A company I worked for in the 1990's were in a position to have to defend claims for noise-induced hearing loss from the 1960's. I suppose you would have to keep records of this type until there was no longer a need to defend claims of a similar nature. I am not aware of any statutory compliance requirements regarding keeping noise survey data, apart from that outlined by Ron.
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#5 Posted : 13 May 2008 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Edwards Hi, I believe the Noise survey must be reviewed at least every two years, (unless any changes in processes have taken place). I am not aware of any specified length of time for the noise survey to be kept but any health surveillance conducted as a result of the survey should be; see extract from L108 Controlling Noise at Work. What type of records should I keep? 324 You should keep an up-to-date health record for each individual as long as they are under health surveillance. These records should include: ? identification details of the employee; ? the employee's history of exposure to noise; ? the outcome of previous health surveillance in terms of fitness for work, and any restrictions required. 327 The health record should be retained for at least as long as the employee remains in your employment. You may wish to retain it for longer as enquiries regarding the state of an individual's hearing may arise many years after they have left your employment or exposure to noise has ceased. It is good practice to offer individual employees a copy of their health record when they leave your employment. Inspectors from the enforcing authorities are entitled to ask to see your health records as part of their checks that you are complying with these Regulations. If your business should cease trading you may wish to pass the record to the individual concerned. Regards Nutty
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#6 Posted : 13 May 2008 19:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 Claim in the late 90s from a previous employee for noise induced hearing loss blamed on his time working in a workshop in the mid 60s. The company were unable to provide their noise policy/procedures from that time (let alone noise survey figures) and the claim was not contested by the insurance company. The sting in the tail is that the foreman at the time (but well retired when the claim came in) was being told this at a reunion a few months later and he was absolutely certain the claimant never worked in that workshop.
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#7 Posted : 13 May 2008 22:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest If a noise assessment has identified people at risk then noise health survellence must be carried (hearing tests) these records must be kept for at least 40 years. These records must be kept for such a long time because of the potential of future littigation. My advice is if the assessment identifies people at risk also keep the assessments for the same time (40 yesrs) it may help you in future cases. If the noise assessment does-not identify people are at risk then also keep the assessment as it proves that an assessment has been carried out and there are no potential noise risks at that time.
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#8 Posted : 13 May 2008 22:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest Nutty, If your buisness should cease trading then the health survellence record of employees must be given to your insurence company as they are the people whome may be required to defend/payout claim in the future.
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#9 Posted : 14 May 2008 08:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman Sorry Tony, I'm a bit behind on noise, we really don't have an issue and I've let my CV slip slightly in that area.. Where does it say that if there is exposure (I presume significant exposure to which people would be harmed if controls failed)) that hearing tests are mandatory? It never used to be. Are there some figures that drive this - eg the upper and lower limits? If wearing the correct PPE and job rotation etc etc is used (following reduction of course)why would you need HS. Clearly, you may wish to see that your employees are not being exposed elsewhere (MP3s, Shooting etc) but I was not aware that this had been made absolute. This is something that is sometimes driven by a change of insurer who doesn't wish to be liable for the debts of the former. It's unlike the HSE/HSC to be that prescriptive. I know that this is about noise survey results, but if we are talking about audiograms, could you replace an older file with a newer one if there had been no change? Why keep the original? I guess that the same could be said of really high results - if it's 110db now and always has been, I'm not sure that keeping records for ever confirming that it is bad would be that helpful. Perhaps it's only beneficial to keep records of reduction of noise through action. This would provide a cut-off on claims for injury made after the improvements, but clearly not those from before. Records of training and instruction along with PPE issue and disciplinary warnings would be more valid. Just a thought Chris Jerman Regards Chris
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#10 Posted : 14 May 2008 08:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman oops, clearly there is a need for an 'edit once posted facility' CJ
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#11 Posted : 14 May 2008 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Anthony Edwards Tony, I stand corrected but that information was cut and pasted directly from L108 Controlling Noise at Work. Regards Nutty
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#12 Posted : 14 May 2008 22:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest Hi Chris, I didn’t say that where there is exposure, hearing test are mandatory. I said that if a noise assessment has identified people at risk then noise health surveillance must be carried out. Control of Noise at Work Regulations states, “If the risk assessment indicates that there is a risk to the health of his employees who are, or are liable to be, exposed to noise, the employer shall ensure that such employees are placed under suitable health surveillance, which shall include testing of their hearing” I think the word shall makes it absolute. The ethos of keeping records of the assessment was on the assumption that noise was not a problem and records are kept of the assessments to show that the levels were below the exposure limits at that time. Having been involved in noise surveys I personally have never seen two sets of noise data exactly the same. You are absolutely correct in stating that keeping records for confirming that noise is bad would not be helpful in the future. Chris we have strayed from the original post here and if you want I am quite happy to chat by e-mail if you like. Regards Tony
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