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Posted By Daniel R Riley
I work for an engineering maintenance company carrying out various different repair works, modifications, etc. A large proportion of our work is inside fuel storage tanks. Before we begin work on these tanks they are fully cleaned of any product and declassified.
The work we do involves a lot of oxy acetylene burning, welding, etc. Some of the major sites we work on allow us without question to use 110v grinders, lights etc; however one company we do work for will not allow us to use and portable equipment above 24v as they say it breaks the confined space regs. However, whilst I do see the hazards ascociated with 110v equipment it causes other hazards by not using them. We have trouble with LEV, we have to use air grinders which generally cause more problems with vibration, etc. This rule seems to contradict itself when we are free to use welding equipment for both welding and air arcing (gauging).
Any advise on this would be greatly appreciated.
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Posted By Guderian
Obviously by the fact that you are using cutting torches etc, its not the explosion/fire risk they are worried about, when working inside the cleaned up/declassified fuel tanks.
Therefore, it must be the elctrocution risk posed by 110v as opposed to 24volts.
Using 110v is one of the main reasons its used, to reduce the very risk of electrocution. Being 110v,, there is in fact 55v rms, if my memory serves me correctly.
Provided the 110v equipment is of the correct type/suitable cable etc for the harsh environment, RCDs used/earth leake trips used then the electrocution risk should be minimal.
As ever, it should come down to risk assessment, off setting the 110v risk compared to the risks introduced by other means of power - air will probably be noisy, possibly lead to cold hands, increaseed vibration, generate extra dust/debris. You will need adequate lighting inside the tanks.
Its certainly not illegal as such to use 110v equipment inside a confined space, you just have to demonstrate that the equipment is satisfactory and does not increase either the defined risks in the CS Regs or any other risks.
You will have to argue it out with the client company, I'm afraid. I wouldn't loose too much sleep over 110v equipment
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Posted By Adrian
Hi Daniel
If you are sure that the 110v equipment is being run from a transformer which is centre tapped to earth there is no chance of fatal electrocution as I am sure that you have carried out health surveillance on all the personnel working in the confined space and they do not have any heart problems etc.
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Posted By Jane Blunt
I suggest you consult the HSE on this one. This sounds like an environment where there is an increased risk of electric shock due to accidental contact of parts of the body with a conductor that might be earthed. In this situation even a normal welding set can become lethal. I can recall quite a high profile case of a welder electrocuted while welding inside a tank or pipe.
Welding sets designed for use in environments of increased risk of electric shock have the designation 'S' and their no-load voltage is restricted to 113V DC or 68Vpeak/48Vrms AC.
Jane
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Posted By MickN
Daniel,
My suggestion is simple and direct. If I were you I would send the person an email asking for clarification on the matter. This way you get a full explanation as to why this decision has been made and on what safety grounds. I'm not aware of any confined space regs that outlaw the use of hand tools greater than 24v(insert caveat here).
In my experience certain companies, depending on their processes and associated risks will ban all sorts of tools and work practices we might consider normal. What you must understand is that the ban might be normal practice for them.
As I said, contact them and better still if you can get hold of their safety guy and receive clarification on your questions. You deserve an answer.
Mick
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Posted By Daniel R Riley
Thanks very much to you all for your quick response. I didn't believe that the use of 110v equipment was illegal but sometimes its difficult to find conclusive evidence. Some of the tanks we work have held flammable products such as petrol; however as i posted they are fully cleaned and declassified prior to us entering, so the worry is purely about electrocution. The use of 24v lighting is a problem to us as some of the tanks are very large and 24v doesn't provide enough light.
I think as posted i will need to take this up directly with the client to see if we can change their views on 110v equipment, as our equipment is in very good condition and earthed correctly, the tank is earthed in multiple places, etc. Thanks again for your help, its very much appreciated.
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Posted By Garry Homer
Sorry chaps
BS 7671 section 705 covers Conducting Locations with Restricted Movement and fits the situation where you are working in a tank.
For hand-held tools or items of mobile equipment the requirements are either:
1. By Electrical Separation - but only one item from one suitable source that provides an EARTH FREE supply.
2. By using a SELV (Separated Extra Low Voltage) source such as provided by a safety isolating transformer to BS EN 61558-2-6 with a MAX VOLTAGE of 50V ac.
Therfore you CAN NOT use the ordinary centre-taped earthed 230/110V transformer you would elsewhere.
Garry
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