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Posted By Steve Wood
Hi, I would welcome any general pointers on the problem below, even if it’s to tell me I’m barking up the wrong tree:
Client wants us to install some light equipment in an open drainage channel approximately 6m deep, with the top at ground level. One person will have to enter the channel to fix it in place.
There are no existing access points such as fixed ladders or stairs, and the client says we must access it by “crane”, but beyond that are making themselves scarce! They have pointed us in the direction of a company they have used on a previous occasion some time ago. That company has submitted a preliminary quote, and have suggested a 25 ton crane, and bosuns chair with a certified banksman.
Their plan at the moment is to lower the guy in to floor level (doesn’t need to be suspended whilst working), have him install the equipment (which will take about an hour max) and then lift him out.
We will, of course, have a risk assessment and method statement from them for the lifting operation, but for all I know at this moment, a bosuns chair could, for some arcane technical reason, be the worst possible option. Even if it’s not, does OUR guy need special training just to sit in it?
I know how to check for general H&S competence indicators, but the specifics are giving me a headache. How far down the “the specialist contractor told me it was so” road can I go?
Bearing in mind that we are a company that has next to no knowledge of such things, how do I (sensibly) determine the contractor’s competence in his own speciality, without doing an apprenticeship in such work?!
Or maybe I could call in a(nother) specialist contra..........
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Right then, you have said you have little or no competence to judge the situation. There you go, get a competent contractor to look at the situation and prepare a method statemenmt for you and possibly manage the project on your behalf. Don't try and guess it it is not worth the trouble, get the professionals in to plan and do the job.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
There are many specialised MEWPS used for such as bridge inspection that may well be useful for you in this task. I personally would consider these before a crane solution.
Bob
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Posted By Dave Daniel
My suspicion is that the HSE aould probably reluctantly accept a bosun's chair because it was a known and accepted safety device in the dim past, and they would be obliged to recognise this. I can't think of any situation where I would.
Quite apart from any other systems, why not look at the use of "proper" personal suspension equipment? IRATA run courses for using such equipment (often used by window cleaners for absailing etc.)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just reflecting a little on the workplace - your description suggests a deep narrow topped cut in the ground of unknown length with no fixed access. It is a drainage channel and this suggests to me something like a confined space. Just as thought!!
Still think mewps are much better than cranes and chairs. Probably far preferable to rope access as well. Depends on available space.
Bob
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Posted By Colin Reeves
"My suspicion is that the HSE aould probably reluctantly accept a bosun's chair because it was a known and accepted safety device in the dim past"
Errr, no. Still commonly used in the shipping industry today - the name might give you a clue!!
Colin
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Posted By Adrian
Steve
Have you tried rope access technicians you can contact an association called IRATA which is the association of industrial rope access technicians you should be able to goggle them.
Adrian
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Posted By Steve Wood
Thanks to all for your help and suggestions.
Bob has his description just about spot on, even down to the Confined Space aspect. I hadn't thought of MEWPs - mainly as the need is purely for access down into the channel, rather than for somewhere to work from. (or, maybe, I hadn't got past "elevated"........I did say it was giving me a headache!)
Have now had some input from an (independent) Appointed Person who had some useful suggestions and alternatives to take back to the contractor, but will certainly bear in mind the rope-access in future.
Thanks again.
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