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#1 Posted : 25 June 2008 12:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Good afternoon all,

I currently carry out site health and safety visits for an English company who will soon have a shop fitting operation start up in Scotland.

I have been asked by the CDM C if I am licensed for working in Scotland.

This is something I know nothing about therefore can anyone please enlighten me?

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#2 Posted : 25 June 2008 13:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch
Hi Crim from drizzly Glasgow.

You do not need a licence to work in Scotland, nor even [yet] your passport to cross the border!

Regards, Peter

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#3 Posted : 25 June 2008 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Ahh, but you do need your passport to come to Shetland (or other acceptable photo ID)!!

Colin
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#4 Posted : 25 June 2008 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
English people working in Scotland - any problem?
- can you handle a spot of name calling!!!

As for Shetland, those sheep at customs i hear are pretty strict i hear!! (only kiddin!!)
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#5 Posted : 25 June 2008 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Thanks from sunny Liverpool. As for name calling I am a scouser so well used to it.

My boss once told me the lads on site are calling me a Tosser, he said that just proved I was doing my job properly.

(Mods I hope that one gets in OK?)

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#6 Posted : 25 June 2008 20:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Adams
Crim

English people working in Scotland ?, absolutely no problem M8, Indeed I am collaborating with a Forum member From Newcastle with a view to resettle a number of Newcastle Scaffold Erectors that have been made redundant due to the down turn in the house building sector.

We are attempting to resettle the Scaffs within the Offshore Industry...however, this is a H&S issue, we are formulating a Familiarisation Induction Course, this is an attempt to bridge the Safety and Work Scope Culture between the House Building Construction Industry and the Oil and Gas Industry.

I am a Scotsman and I'v worked in many locations outwith my boarders and my philosophy is that of Robert Burns...a mans a man for all that...so come ahead.

Garry...

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#7 Posted : 25 June 2008 20:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Hi Crim - you need to be aware that Scotland is a wee bit behind England as far as the TV is concerned.
Enna Sharples died last week on Corrie Street yet in England I heard they showed her funeral.

Another problem is the gas TV we use up here - if someone opens the door quickly the picture blows out.(lol)

Welcome to Scotland Crim - come up and enjoy Gods own country.
Bet after a while if you got the choice you would stay.

Dave
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#8 Posted : 26 June 2008 10:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Thanks to all you Scots who appear to be very kind and receptive to us English.

I will support your guy Andy Murray and hope he goes all the way at Wimbledon this time, after all he's British just like me - until he gets knocked out!
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#9 Posted : 26 June 2008 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
archie gemmill was british too!!
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#10 Posted : 26 June 2008 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
And what a goal he scored - world cup against Holland?
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#11 Posted : 26 June 2008 11:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh
I have worked in Glasgae - I loved it, no probs whatever, cept that it seemed to rain every day in Winter......... I also have a static caravan in Scotland, get up there as often as poss. In 30 years of visiting I have never had a problem for being English. Mind I am from NE England so culturally the fit was there. Working in Scotland was fine, like everywhere else I have worked, you are judged on how well you do the job, and how good your advice is!

Scots have a great tradition of hospitality - contrary to jokes they are very generous when buying drinks etc.

One tip - Scots are always taking the mickey out of themselves and their traditions eg kilts - but tend to not like it if outsiders do!! So don't.

Final tip - in Glasgae make sure you have a waterproof smart jacket for those brilliant nights out in Sauchiehall Street. Ask the locals how to pronounce it!
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#12 Posted : 26 June 2008 12:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Robertson-Böber
I'm still trying to reconcile the fact that I am English with a Scottish education and foreign surname.

Andrew Böber
CMIOSH FRSH FRGS
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#13 Posted : 26 June 2008 13:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
so that explains it!!!

Wouldnt mind moving to scotland myself, could be good for the golf game!
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#14 Posted : 28 June 2008 11:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Wilson
No problems at all. It is when you ar not English speaking that the problem arises! English by birth, married a Scot - lived and worked here now in the H&S industry for 16 years........only difficulty is learning the local language e.g. 'piece time' is tea break/lunch, stour is dust and so on ....the list goes on. :)



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#15 Posted : 30 June 2008 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By water67.
obviously postings are keeping the dreaded west coast midge as a wee surprise for you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#16 Posted : 30 June 2008 14:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper
Willheim

I have been brought up and lived in Scotland most of my life and I can assure you it hasn't helped my golf game!!! :-)

FH
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#17 Posted : 30 June 2008 15:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMelrose
Most Scots are easy going (and contrary to belief - generous as another poster mentioned).

Here are a few things that annoy some Scottish folk ...

1) Calling every Scotsman a "Jock"
2) Talk about "if England had made the European Championships we'd have..." - You didn't so get over it and move on!
3) Only support Andy Murray as a BRIT if he makes the semi final but relish his loss as a SCOT if he doesn't.
4) Complain about the weather (only true Scots are allowed to joke about having webbed feet / not having a tan but rusting instead etc!!)
5) Joke about men wearing Skirts instead of the kilt...[we don't often make snide comments about Morris Dancers...].

Here are a few Scottish terms you might hear.

"Away fur ma tea" - I'm going for my evening meal

"Salt and sauce" in Edinburgh Sauce is Broon not BROWN ...a mixture of vinegar AND brown sauce. In Glasgow you'll only get the vinegar OR brown sauce (HP).

"blootered" - drunk
"howfin" - disgusting
"make me pure boke" - make me want to be sick
"knacked" or "Knackered" - tired or really tired.

"Mingin" - ugly / disgusting (as in "she's pure mingin" - she's not very pretty!).

"Och, ye ken?" - Oh, you know?
"aye, nae bad" - yes, not too bad.

"whar ye fi?" - Where are you from?
"weegie" - a person from Glasgow.
"Up the toon" - usually said by someone from the outskirts of a city as in "um goin up the toon at the wkend" - I'm going into Edinburgh / Glasgow etc at the weekend.

Numbers;
Yin, twa...hunner
one, two...one hundred

Then of course there is regional dialects which can confuse even more - Doric in Aberdeen for example. In full flow you'll maybe pick up one word in every 10!!

Should keep you going for a wee while
(oh aye, an we dinnae take oursel twa seriously LOL!!)
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#18 Posted : 30 June 2008 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris L
I've actually found Doric reasonably easy, but you do have to listen, especially if the speaker's a tad emotional.....

Did get confused about being asked where we're 'staying at' until we worked out it meant 'where do you live?'

However the finest piece of confusion arose over a colleague complaining about the lack of 'fancy pieces' at an event - he meant nice biscuits, we thought he meant ladies of doubtful virtue......
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#19 Posted : 30 June 2008 16:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Oyyy, the west coast midge is nothing compared to the Shetland midge - but then Shetland ain't Scotland ;-)

Colin
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#20 Posted : 30 June 2008 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
Ah not natives so if the midges are botherin ye!!!

There are a few job opportunities in Scotland from what i see, cost of living is relatively low too, well from what I’ve seen! Though mightn’t last that long what with having to pay for that parliament building and all!!
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#21 Posted : 01 July 2008 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
Fit's wrang wi the Doric?

Chris - ye obviously wirna spikkin tae a true Doric spikker if they asked ye far ye were "staying", as the richt word wid be "bidin", as in "far are ye bidin?" (where are you staying) or "far div ye bide?" (where do you live).

Onywye, them Aiberdonians are toonsers, an dinna spik Doric richt onywye. Ye need lessons fae a country quine like masel!

Willhiem - cost of living low? Have you been to Aberdeen lately? It's not cheap, and diesel is almost at the £1.35 mark, which is a problem when you work in an area like mine, where the geographical area I cover is vast, with not that much in it!
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#22 Posted : 01 July 2008 09:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMelrose
Agree with MT - Aberdeen is an expensive city to live in (I studied there for a year and you need to buy loads of jumpers / goretex jacket / gloves, scarf etc...and that's just for the summer!).

Petrol prices increase the further north you head - Shetland has probably the highest (ironic considering BP is located there!).

A lot of Scots talk pretty fast and that's why Doric can be difficult to understand - same with some weegies (especially if they've been "on ra buckie" - a staple for some underage teenagers up here).

Cracking game last night wi the Murray Mint. No a tennis fan but edge of the seat stuff those last three sets. All the best for Wednesday...

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#23 Posted : 01 July 2008 10:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves
Just to confirm, Shetland is expensive on fuel - petrol around £1.30 a litre, diesel £1.42 per litre.

Oh, and public transport limited - population does not warrant more.

Colin
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#24 Posted : 01 July 2008 15:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Mitchell
Hi

Sorry to be boring at first, but although you don't need to be licensed per se, you will need to check out (or should that be 'oot') the regional differences in legislation. For example, your machine shop will be subject to the Fire (Scotland) Act and not the RRFSO as an obvious starter.

I have just been involved with a major civils job in the West Highlands and found this pretty much the same as in England. I also find that if you avoid the usual hot potatoes of politics, religion and (particularly) 'fitba' you won't have any problems as an Englishman!
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#25 Posted : 01 July 2008 20:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Hello again,

Many thanks for what has turned out to be a very informative and entertaining discussion.

I always did enjoy a conversation with Scottish firemen all those years ago when attending the fire service college at Moreton in Marsh. You guys are so funny! and patriotic when roused!

My work will involve inspecting a store refit in Oban next week, closely followed by a similar trip to Aberdeen in the near future.

I must remember to fill up with diesel and black pudding before I go! (Not all in the same tank)

Our Andew did well yesterday, wonder how much longer he will be ours?

Thanks again
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#26 Posted : 02 July 2008 09:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
Well, you're fairly lucky Crim. Oban is a lovely place, although can be very miserable if raining, but it's very picturesque. Of course, I may be slightly biased, but Aberdeen is fab! Let me know if you need any pointers on where to stay/eat etc.
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#27 Posted : 02 July 2008 09:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM
Yes, you're ever so slightly biased MT!!!

Is that you offering B & B? ;)
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#28 Posted : 02 July 2008 10:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
Fit maks ye think at? We could have an IOSH forum gathering - take Crim out and show him (?) a good time Aberdonian styleeeee! ;-)
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#29 Posted : 02 July 2008 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
I hope ye do a proper risk assessment before that outing takes place.

MT - cost of living remark was based on Edinburgh, I'd be there a lot, and yes there are a few things which are expensive, fuel being one there are some aspects that would be fairly cheap, example when i was last over there i was getting some grun in for a good sunday fry up - pudding, eggs, sausages, rashers, bread, sunday papers, milk etc. the whole lot came to about £8 or something, i was anticipating paying £15 or so, 2 weeks ago i was buying roughly the same thing (may i suggest you add in a similar list of shopping as a control measure for your night out, or morning after!!) and it cost €23 somethin, i was a bit shocked, but not suprised, cost of living here is pretty high, i spend most of my week standing in forecourts of pertol stations too!!
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#30 Posted : 16 July 2008 23:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
Hi everyone.

I went up there, to Oban, what a journey! (10 hours in total).

Broke down on the A74 delayed 5 hours so did the site visit the following morning.

Stayed at a B&B (4 star but the 4th looked a bit dodgy as if the English owner had painted it on himself?)

English principal contractor with English subby's, I was working for an English client and English Designer/CDM-C. It just felt like home.

The only contact I had with a Scotsman was the fish and chip shop that sold excellent fish etc.

No problems at all - now looking forward to trips as far as Aberdeen and Fort William hope to meet some Scotish people up there - any chance?

Thanks for all the input.





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#31 Posted : 17 July 2008 09:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMelrose
Probably not in Fort William - usually full of tourists. Aberdeen is full of students (though from all over the world!).

The last place I worked at (Scottish Company based in Edinburgh), I was the token Scot in my section for most of the time I was there! Boss = Englishman, two work colleagues = Irish and myself. Aye, we're a hard breed to find...usually we're off in some distant country trying to find the "happy ball"
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#32 Posted : 17 July 2008 10:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By willhiem
there in lies the problem, no scots!!
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#33 Posted : 17 July 2008 11:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By MT
Well, I would happily meet up with you when you're in Aberdeen, and I bet Haggis JM would too.
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#34 Posted : 17 July 2008 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By ianmilne69
Who said cost of living is cheaper in Scotland; we pride Aberdeens cost of living being comparable with Edinburgh and/or London.

And for being English; Im Singapore born, Scots bred (does that make me a scottsh singer) with sisters born in England (and I remind them every single time).

Like they said, get used to name calling (I get it every other week I travel down over that brilliant wall), especially if you even mention fitba, its not a gentlemans game and never will be.

Andy Murray, sorry no-one I know up here bothered to support him and most only became aware of him after he was called 'british'.

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#35 Posted : 17 July 2008 13:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By AMelrose
Um...I'm Scottish and knew about Andy Murray a few years ago when he was on the junior circuit. He's definately got talent (as has his brother who has actually won at Wimbledon but is quieter and more reserved than his sibling). Thing is, he's more Catalan now anyway!!
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#36 Posted : 21 July 2008 17:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough
Having lived and worked in Scotland for over 10 years until 1987 I can report no problems. The majority of Scots people are fine - just as most people are anywhere else in the UK or the rest of the world for that matter.

One expression I heard from time to time in Scotland went along the lines of "In Scotland we tend do things differently - and we usually do it better!" This can be true in various respects. For example the Scottish legal system includes its long established public prosecution service with its procurators fiscal in cities and larger towns. By comparison the Crown Prosecution Service "south of the border" is a newish entity which appears to be based on the Scottish one.

After I had lived in Scotland for a while, some English friends told me that I had picked up a slight Scottish accent. By contrast, some Scots on meeting me for the first time would comment "You're not from these parts are you!" - a polite way of noting that I was an incomer or foreigner. My favourite response to this was to ask "How did you guess?" In Scotland and anywhere else, a bit of humour taken, given and shared helps considerably.
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