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#1 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Hi I like to think I know what most of the hazard (black and orange squares) symbols mean and the associated letters that go with them. But on a recent MSDS, I've come across Fo and Fx. I've already checked the HSE website without spotting the new symbols, so ... does anyone know what Fo & Fx stand for on a safety data sheet? Thanks in advance. Badger
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#2 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By IainThomson FX = Extremely Flammable FO = Flammable I believe
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#3 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Whaley Barry, Under GHS O = oxidising F = Flammable and F+ = Extremely Flammable. I have not come across Fo or Fx. Is it possible they could be the above? Hope this helps. David
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#4 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Doug Russell I'm with Iain. I think it goes Fx 'extremely flammable', F 'very flammable, Fo 'flammable'. On the other hand on bus/train timetables Fx means 'except Friday' and Fo means 'Friday only' so maybe Fx 'flammable except on Fridays'?
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#5 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Ian and David Have re checked HSE website and Fo & FX are definately not given but had wondered as per Ian's comments re extremely flammable etc. althogh I know extremely flammable as F+. Anyone else knows different? As an aside we are doing our bit on REACH where you break down a product to its substances. Before when doing a CoSHH assmt I would have just looked for the main hazard classification but now I'm reclassifying our assmts to include the individual substances that make up a product for example Loctite, which would show say Irritant on the bottle but when you break it down it is also Harmful, corrosive, oxidising, flammable, toxic, and dangerous to the environment. Its amazing what a small loophole some where will allow the manufacturers to NOT declare! Rant over. Badger
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#6 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter HSE website on this subject and as refered is www.hse.gov.uk/chip/phrases.htm. Badger
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#7 Posted : 02 July 2008 15:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By IainThomson Please take a look at section 2 of this MSDS http://www.rigbytaylor.c...mbargoG/MSDSEmbargoG.pdf I'm personally used to seeing F+ but have come across "FX" before. IainT
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#8 Posted : 02 July 2008 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By garyh Barrie it's not a loophole it's in the CHIP regs, which comes from things such as (from memory) EC such as the one on safety data sheets, preparations directive etc. If you have a product (eg oil coming from petroleum or coal tar) it contains dozens, maybe hundreds of chemicals. You cannot classify it by listing every component classification! Just because something contains eg a small amount of a "toxic" this does not make it "toxic" - there are classification rules. Consider Acetic acid - corrosive at 25-90% conc, irritant 10-25%, goes on your chips when more dilute! So long as these rules are followed, these are sensible.
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#9 Posted : 02 July 2008 19:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By MP I'm with garyh Spot on.
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#10 Posted : 03 July 2008 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter OK I concede to garyh's comments. Next question is which would you like to see of the MSDS's improved - USA, European or Austrailians? Personally having plowed through msds's from around the world I would like to see some parts of the US's included in the Europeans msds. But both the USA and Aus/NZ msds's are hard going to sift out the info you need to find some times. Your thought please. Badger
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#11 Posted : 03 July 2008 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi Barrie, In a few years time, CHIP will be replaced by GHS, The Globaaly Harmonised System, and YES, there has been a buy in from most of the countries, including USA, EU, Japan, China, Canada, Australial & so on. Not a simple matter to get global consesnsus, but that is waht has happened. So, by 2018, it is hoped that GHS will be completely implemented in EU! Refer to:- http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/index.htm http://www.hse.gov.uk/ghs/eureg.htm http://www.unece.org/tra...i/ghs/ghs_welcome_e.html
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#12 Posted : 03 July 2008 15:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Thanks Jay. So by the time I'm close to retirement they'll eventually get their act together!!!
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