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Posted By ian_f
Does work have to be associated with a structure to be deemd 'construction work' under the CDM Regs?
The reason I ask is that we (the company I work for) has been awarded a contract that consists of servicing (cleaning and replacing luminaires) to many street lights which will extend over several months. The work also includes the redecoration of said posts...?
Also we have a seperate contract to install new street lights which again lasts over several months; my gut feeling on this is that this is not construction work.
Strangely we also have a contract to fix xmas trees and lights to the local city council building...?!
Finally, is fire alarm and emergency lighting deemed construction work...reg 1(e) is confusing me?!
Any assistance/guidance would be greatful.
thx...Ian
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Rather concerning that you say you have been awarded a contract for the installation of new street lighting and only now is the issue of CDM application being asked.
This is construction work my friend.
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
Ian,
I would agree with Ron the maintennce of street furniture as you describe would be classified as construction work.
As such you should look carefully at the CDM Regs and ACoP and decide how much of the regs apply. (Notifiiable or not?)
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Posted By ian_f
Indeed Ron, rather concerning that our LA client doesnt appear to have considered CDM; that said, this is one of the 1st questions I posed when introduced to the project!
Martyn, I have studied the regs/acop to decide what applies but I continually stumble upon the fact that the work isn't associated to a structure and therefore cant be classified construction work...I can't get my head around the regs applying at all?
Any further nuggets of wisdom would be appreciated..
thx
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Cable, road, fixed plant: all within the definition of "structure" in the Regs. I think street lighting fits in there pretty well.
I do suggest someone at your end gets back to the Client to sort this one out!
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Posted By Bob Youel
I urge you to take adequate advice as striking power feed cables in the highways is a fact and a major risk re that kind of operation -
Only last year I dealt with a poor chap who hit a live 66KV cable - he survived but at a cost
Installing and connecting electro / mechanical aspects of street lighting columns is CDM work
The day to day cleaning aspects of street furniture as a stand alone operation can be seen as CDM via 'upkeep' but irrespective of the CDM regs the management regs etc still apply so you still need a management system
Cleaning bollards and similar plus the other works you describe will also require Chapter 8 areas
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Posted By ian_f
thx Ron & Bob...I can sort of see the light now having re-read the definition of 'structure' and 'construction work'.
I had already appreciated that the MH&SW Regs would apply.
Looks like our client is in for a shock (not literally!) today... oh the joys of poking my nose in a job!
thx again guys, its been very useful...
PS: I don't suppose anybody out there has a generic process map/procedure chart that plots the CDM process at all from cradle-to-grave?!?
Ian
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Posted By Bob Youel
Be aware that some clients when undertaking such works on a closed site before hand over to councils e.g. new housing estates; can have very detailed T&C's etc where liabilities go to the persons installing such things and undertaking such works so councils may come down on the subbie after and /or at handover
If you client is a council and the lighting schemes etc are on already adopted roads etc again be aware as they want the lowest price above all things but can act very strongly when needed so do not underestimate them
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Posted By Ron Hunter
ConstructionSkills (free to download)publications may be of use to you Ian.
The "Client" publication 'Industry Guidance for
Small, One-off and Infrequent Clients' has a reference chart mapping CDM to both the RIBA & CIC Project Management Stages.
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Posted By ian_f
Gerry, thx for the attachment; for reason I can't e-mail you direct as it bounces back as spam? Ron's has proved to be more what I was after though on pg 11...thx Ron.
Having now read the ACoP about what construction work is not, would 'general maintenace' of fixed plant now fall outside the CDM Regs? Therefore such a clean and change programme to street lighting isn't construction work?
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Posted By NJS
does anybody have a direct link to the page Ron mentioned? i dont seen to tbe able to locate it?
NJS
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Posted By ian_f
I am being told that 'general maintenance' of fixed plant by virtue of the ACoP guidance means that this type of work falls outside CDM Regs...does anybody disagree with this?
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Posted By Bob Youel
Ian-F
irrespective of all the opinions herein, mine included!, HSWA74 and MHSW still apply so adequate management systems are still needed
Additionally some bollards because of their location will most likely need Chapter '8' considerations
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Ian
Street lighting is not fixed plant but street furniture. Thus you are not undertaking maintenance of fixed plant and CDM applies.
The definition of structure is wide enough in the regs to include a street lighting column as something similar to a mast.
Bob
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