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#1 Posted : 12 August 2008 17:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By RHOES
Hi,

Does anyone know if printer/copier toner presents a hazard to an unborn child where the expectant mother is exposed?

Regards

Rich
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#2 Posted : 12 August 2008 20:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis
Not to sure if it would but do no it does give a lot of fumes . May be worth doing a risk assessment for her and check it through your COSHH.
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#3 Posted : 12 August 2008 20:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
Rich

How much exposure are you talking about?

Paul
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#4 Posted : 13 August 2008 08:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amandac
If its any help to you. I googled the manufacturer of the copier and printer which lead me to their webpage and was able to download the relevent data sheets for the products for the COSHH assessement.
Or you could ask your supplier for the sheets.
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#5 Posted : 13 August 2008 13:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345
she is more at danger from walking down a busy high streeet from car fumes than the miniscule and occasional respiratory hazards of a copier
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#6 Posted : 13 August 2008 14:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt
On the whole I would agree with Graeme.

However, if someone spills a large quantity of it then the position changes somewhat and they need to step back and think before starting to vacuum it, brush it into the air etc etc. At this point it is not quite so innocuous.

Jane
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#7 Posted : 13 August 2008 15:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amandac
Graeme

Whilst I may agree with your comment above.....
Unless this pregnant and new mother is employed to walk down the high street (Traffic Warden?) it is not her emplyers responsibility. It is their responsibility to assess the risks to her and more importantly the unborn baby. Given the scant information about the copier printer etc how do we know the level of exposure etc?
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#8 Posted : 13 August 2008 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345
we don't, but what I do know is that modern photo copier powder is in a sealed container, (no escaping powder),and even if an amount did get into the air it would not be a "significant risk" because most employees do not work near copiers they go near them for about 10 mins a day to copy something (takes about 5 seconds)

There would be a long term risk from having employees permantely working close by a copier if the copier was stationed in an enclosed space without much natural ventilation.

Action from sunlight via a window in the photo copier room may produce very small quatities of ozone, maybe this is what persons are worried about?

Did anyone forget PUWER, reputable manafacturers do not
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#9 Posted : 13 August 2008 17:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jane Blunt
Not strictly so - the generation of ozone does not require sunlight, and sunlight coming through glass lacks the relevant wavelengths.

Most equipment these days is equipped with a decent filter that prevent exposure - you can usually readily detect it by smell if the filter has become faulty.

Not all toner comes in sealed cartridges - some machines have refill bottles and we recently had an incident where one was spilt all over the place. Obviously we would like to replace this with a machine with sealed cartridges, but this will take some time.

Jane
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#10 Posted : 13 August 2008 19:10:00(UTC)
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#11 Posted : 14 August 2008 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Greater risk from lifting the boxes of paper I suspect...

Alan
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#12 Posted : 14 August 2008 15:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper
I agree that they are probably more at risk from walking down the road but as we don't know how great the risk is (and suspect time spent researching it would be wasted!!) we just advise expectant mothers not to change toner....just get someone else to do it then you don't need to worry about exposure of potentially harmful substances to the unborn child....only takes a couple of minutes so shouldn't be a problem.


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#13 Posted : 14 August 2008 17:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By lisa mccaulder
I'm with Amandac. Do an assessment based on the safety data sheet, the type of cartridge in use and the quantity, frequence and duration of exposure.

I agree with most people here that the actual risk is likely to be tiny but you also have to take seriously the concerns of the expectant mother (assuming there is one and that she is concerned). She could be involved in a proper risk assessment exercise and be reassured by that process. She may also accept the outcome more readily and will certainly feel valued and cared for as a result.

Part of ensuring her welfare will be to make certain that she is comfortable with what she is doing and isn't unnecessarily stressed. I would hate to see an employee frightened even if her fears aren't entirely justified. So, after all that, if she really doesn't want to use a photocopier and it isn't an integral part of her job, I would support her.

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#14 Posted : 15 August 2008 09:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Amandac


Many collagues above are making assumptions that this person is an office worker, look at the information provided. She could be in manufacturing and filling the containers? Who knows...

Based on the scant information

Do a risk assessment.... don't make assumptions
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#15 Posted : 15 August 2008 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Fornhelper
Amandac

If the expectant mother was involved in the manufacturing and filling of toner then I would be very concerned if a full COSHH assessment hadn't been carried out already.

Take your point about not assuming things but we don't always (ever?) get the full info when people post on the forum and assumptions then need to be made in an effort to provide assistance. I think this makes the responses more interesting as we get different slants based on contributors assumptions.

RHOES - on the assumption that the expectant mother is involved in the manufacturing and filling of toner I would advise you carry out a COSHH assessment !! :-)

Regards
FH


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#16 Posted : 15 August 2008 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By MP
It would be useful if RHOES chipped in perhaps
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#17 Posted : 15 August 2008 20:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Hi - rather concerned by some of the replies above who keep on about the MSDS sheet.

As I have warned in previous threads - the supplier wil only provide sufficient information on the sheet as to comply with the legislation.

Generally - in my experience - copiers are stuck in a small room with inadequate ventilation.
How long does the copier run for? How long is the person exposed? The longer it runs at a time - the more heat generated - therefore the extra requirement for ventilation and air turn over. And the lomger she is exposed the more likely a possible risk.

How do we know anything is hazardous? Labels, data sheet etc. But what about personal experience?

As the lady goes through the pregnacy everything about her will change - not being disrepectful - but she could be on medication that may affect her tolerance levels. Her hormones will change as maybe her body tolerances.

So - my advice - while the copier exposure may not be harmful to some, it may to this lady. Check the ventilation provided is adequate.

Also review the assessment with the lady concerned at the end of every week and see if there are any problems and act as you see fit.

I wish the lady concerned happy health for her and the baby.
But lets speak to the lady on a regular basis.

A thing to think about - in the works - how many companies employ ladies who may not know even they are pregnant when they are? Are you alraedy doing enough to protect them??

Dave
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#18 Posted : 15 August 2008 20:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H
Mods - spell checker is still not working
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#19 Posted : 15 August 2008 20:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter
We have still had no response from RHOES to my question on Tuesday about the level of exposure; perhaps we should now pause until we have more information (or at least a response).

Paul
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