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Posted By D smith
Hi all
Ive been wanting to report near misses at our place but management want to know what benefit it is to us for doing this, ive told them its so we can see where we are going wrong but they seem to think that this "hanging out our dirty washing in public" and should be kept in house, im struggling to think of a good response as surely by reporting things the company could then start getting targeted, so if any of you know any positive responses i would be very grateful.
thanks in advance
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Posted By Sharon
By reporting near misses it enables you to look at figues then reduce the number of near misses, probability will then tell you this will then reduce the number of injuries that happen.
Letting a near miss go unreported provides an opportunity for a serious accident to occur.
Remember the same things that cause accidents cause near misses.
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Posted By Kevin Drum
Don't know if this helps but at the start of this year I did a series of H&S awareness sessions with supervisors and a selection of shopfloor key workers to cover responsibilities for H&S. Part of this was to highlight the reporting of near misses and how they could be used in preventive monitoring. Admitingly I had lots of issues reported and many were nothing to do with H&S but overall the results were positive as it did raise awareness throughout the factory ( should have said we are a manufacturing company employing around 170)not only that accidents for the first halve of the year have reduced by 45% and days lost by 83%. I wouldn't claim that this was all down to an increase in near miss reporting but it played a significant part.
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Posted By A Campbell
What have you regarded as the best method of reporting 'near misses' (my old company called it a near hit!)
I'm looking for something that is easy and not long winded as can put people off completing long forms unless they need to?
Tony
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Posted By garyh
Show then the old Bird or Heinrich truiangle and explain it.
I liken this approach to the "zero tolerance" approach in policing. Stop the minor things happening and investigate them, and you stop the nasty events from happening.
Ask your managers 2 simple questions; do you think that Townsend Toresen had any near misses before the "Herald" tragedy? If they had acted on these, do you think that the disaster would still have happened?
Case closed!
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Posted By John J
Mark,
you have mail.
I once got asked 'why do you spend so much time investigating your near misses'.
My answer is I'm not keen on seeing the inside bits on the outside so looking at the near misses properly helps me avoid this scenario.
It also avoids the situation where you have an accident and the manager comes and 'councils' everbody, lowering moral and destroying all the work you've done,
John
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Posted By D smith
so is it all "internal reporting" or reporting to the authorites?
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Posted By Sharon
Its all internal reporting unless its reportable:
Reportable dangerous occurrences (near misses)
If something happens which does not result in a reportable injury, but which clearly could have done, then it may be a dangerous occurrence which must be reported immediately.
Reportable dangerous occurrences are:
Collapse, overturning or failure of load-bearing parts of lifts and lifting equipment;
Explosion, collapse or bursting of any closed vessel or associated pipework;
Failure of any freight container in any of its load-bearing parts;
Plant or equipment coming into contact with overhead power lines;
Electrical short circuit or overload causing fire or explosion;
Any unintentional explosion, misfire, failure of demolition to cause the intended collapse, projection of material beyond a site boundary, injury caused by an explosion;Accidental release of a biological agent likely to cause severe human illness;
Failure of industrial radiography or irradiation equipment to de-energise or return to its safe position after the intended exposure period;
Malfunction of breathing apparatus while in use or during testing immediately before use;
Failure or endangering of diving equipment, the trapping of a diver, an explosion near a diver, or an uncontrolled ascent;
Collapse or partial collapse of a scaffold over five metres high, or erected near water where there could be a risk of drowning after a fall;
Unintended collision of a train with any vehicle;
Dangerous occurrence at a well (other than a water well);
Dangerous occurrence at a pipeline;
Failure of any load-bearing fairground equipment, or derailment or unintended collision of cars or trains;
A road tanker carrying a dangerous substance overturns, suffers serious damage, catches fire or the substance is released;
A dangerous substance being conveyed by road is involved in a fire or released;
The following dangerous occurrences are reportable except in relation to offshore workplaces: unintended collapse of: any building or structure under construction, alteration or demolition where over five tonnes of material falls; a wall or floor in a place of work; any false-work;
Explosion or fire causing suspension of normal work for over 24 hours;
Sudden, uncontrolled release in a building of: 100 kg or more of flammable liquid; 10 kg of flammable liquid above its boiling point; 10 kg or more of flammable gas; or of 500 kg of these substances if the release is in the open air;
Accidental release of any substance which may damage health.
Additional categories of dangerous occurrences apply to mines, quarries, relevant transport systems (railways etc) and offshore workplaces.
Detailed information is provided in the relevant schedules to the regulations and the Guide to RIDDOR
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Posted By D smith
thanks sharon but the dangerous occurances sounds a similar thing, seems like a company has nothing to gain but everything to lose by reporting a dangerous occurance so why would they do it?
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Posted By A Campbell
You can always look to differentiate between a near miss and a dangerous occurrence, the latter is reportable under RIDDOR 95
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Posted By Adam Worth
http://www.iosh.co.uk/in...m?go=news.release&id=361
I didn't have time to do a detailed search and find you non copyright stuff but stuff by Ken Ken Woodward OBE certainly gets the message accross!!
If the video we show doesn't make people aware of the need to report near misses i'm not sure what will!!
I always use the triangle and of course the good old NEBOSH three reasons for safety!!!
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Posted By w.j. jones
HS(g)96 is pretty self explanatory and will give you some good strong arguments against managers who weemingly have little time or understanding of liability
Regards
W.Jones
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Posted By David Brede
I take the view that the near miss is a free learning point for the business to learn from.
On a project I am involved in the near miss procedure and the use of the information gleaned from them in tool box talks assisted their Considerate Contractor award
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Posted By bill strachan1
You could try putting a positive spin on near miss reporting and call them learning events. I have recently utilised this approach and the grown ups seem to like it. Also, as one of the other posts eludes to, if you take care of the bottom of the triangle and put the findings of your learning events to good use the top of the triangle will take care of itself
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Posted By Neil D
Show them "silence is Consent" DVD changing attitudes towards Near Misses.
It is aimed at the Higway Maintenace sector but could be used by other sectors as the message remains the same.
It is commisioned by the Highways Agency amongst others. It is an excellent piece of material. My company shows it to personnel on inductions.
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Posted By John A Wright
D Smith,
It may be worth reading through the past accident reports, that is when accidents DID happen.
Read through the investigation notes and look for comments like 'this has happened before', 'the fault was known about but not acted upon'.
If you are lucky enough to find such examples you might be even luckier and find out what those accidents cost the company, etc etc.
Providing REAL examples, where near miss reporting could have prevented accidents, is very useful in making a case.
John
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Posted By David Brede
Neil D. Can you advise me where the dvd comes from?
David
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Posted By Anthony Rocheford
the importance of investigating near missses can be equated to monitoring market surveys, which demonstrates how persons are responding to you product. Likewise the near miss demonstrates how employees are responding to your systems, where there is potential for accidents and losses.
You can also demonstrate the direct and indirect costs of accidents and the potential savings that can accrue from monitoring and investigating nearmisses
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Posted By Neil D
The Silence is Consent DVD is availble from the Highways Agency. To order it simply call this number 08457 504030 or email roadworkersafety@highways.gsi.gov.uk. And it is free of charge!!
Neil
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Posted By steve hardcastle
excellent posts, the silence is consent dvd is probably the best visual aid for arguing the point. in terms of behaviour mod. and human error its perhaps also worth advertising the fact that we only learn from mistakes - being right/ignoring near misses only reinforces what we already believe to be true
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Posted By andy tetlow
just to add, 'near miss' reporting is a healthy and good element to have in any health and safety system and should be encouraged amongst the workforce. We use the term 'safety observations'. We have a little book that staff carry round with them, if they come across any unsafe acts or conditions, they record this and it gets passed through to the safety dept for investigation. Further to this, staff go one step further and make areas as safe as reasonably possible and challenge people who could create a potential health and safety issue.
andy tet.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Some excellent advice above. One additional point : I try to ensure a POSITIVE response to any near-miss reporting. Too often people don't report for fear of being blamed.
"Harry, thanks for telling me you nearly side-swiped the MD's Jag with your FLT. Let's have a coffee and talk about how we can prevent making it six in a row."
Merv
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