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Posted By MICHAEL T
We are in partnership with a German company who are sending German staff over to build and commission a plant in the UK.
Our Principal Contractor has insisted that everyone has CSCS cards.
We have looked at the various skill cards but they seem to require NVQ qualifications.
As the German engineer's qualifications do not line up with these I am puzzled on how we can get them 'carded'.
Does anyone have any experience of this and how did you get round it?
Regards
Mike
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Posted By A Campbell
Michael,
Have you talked to you PC regarding this?
They may go with the idea that you can provide evidence of skills and allow them to take the touch screen test?
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Posted By alex mccreadie
Michael we were in much the same position although our Technicians go onto many sites to install,Derig & repair cranes.
(Germam,Polish and Belgian)
As Tony says we talked to the Major Contractorsa we were dealing with and put them all through the H & S touch screen test.
If their German Technical Qualifications get them a skills card is in the hands of the Construction Skills.
All contractors seem happy that they can prove technical competence and they have sat the test.
Regards Alex
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Posted By MICHAEL T
Yes, but their German qualifications wouldn't get them a skills card, would it?
I thought that CSCS were rigid and would only accept NVQ!
This leaves us wit only the yellow Visitors Card, which our PC will not accept!
Regards
Mike
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker
This type of question seems to appear regularly.
Is it realy a health and safety related issue?
I don't think so.
Why is this lack of CSCS card only being being picked up now?
Should it not have been consider at contract stage?
If the PC/CDMC stated his requirements in tender documents it should have been picked up by whoever put the quotation package together, and resolved then.
Might be being a bit miserable for a Friday, but let the Contracts people sort out their own mess. Might do them good. Never know they might learn to communicate.
Rodger Ker
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Posted By alex mccreadie
Michael I did say it is in the hands of the gods. But if we have a skilled workforce albeit from other countries why should the CSCS/CPCS system discriminate against them.
Everyone we deal with including many of the MCG are happy with what we have done.
Yes although worn out the CSCS/CPCS does belong on this forum as on many sites the system is regulated by the Safety Department.
Happy Friday
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The real issue ios that the CSCS board are immoveable over the NVQ requirements and this will cause issues with foreign workers. I do know that the citb training arm has some novel solutions but they essentially still require some form of skills training and testing as well as the touvh screen test.
Bob
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker
The line of thoughts being posted appears to drifting.
Lets get back to basics.
Please see my earlier comment.
The time for resolving these issues is at tender and contract review stage, before anyone gets anywhere near the site.
I have found that on numerous occasions PC's don't know what they want!
If the PC doesn't tell you your people need "skill cards" at that time, and then changes his mind, then that his his problem, he should bear the cost and will have to accept the delay while they are obtained.
I have been in this position on numerous occasions of making "startling discoveries" once our people arrived on site. To put a stop to it I prepared a list of items that we had avilable, and asked if they were required. If the answer was negative, but once on site they were asked for, they could not complain at any delay in supplying the information.
I repeat again, this is not a safety related issue, it is contractual.
To be quite blunt, having or not having a "skill card" proves absolutely nothing, and any company that places any great belief that health and safety on their sites will be improved simply because the workforce posses them, is deluding themselves.
Rodger Ker
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Posted By MICHAEL T
Rodger (and all)
Thanks for comments!
We all know that these issues 'SHOULD' have been sorted out at contract stage, however in the real world they aren't and that's when they are bounced back to us.
The PC does know what he wants and that's everyone must have CSCS cars despite the problems that it causes us.
On CSCS cards not not being proof of competence, you are preaching to the converted.
My predicament remains: I HAVE to get CSCS cards for these German contractors - How do I do it??
Regards
Mike
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Posted By alex mccreadie
Michael I can appreciate your frustrations if you havent already tried ,ring CITB Construction Skills direct and see if they can help you.
Just Google the above and you will get contact details.
Good Luck Alex
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