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Posted By Barry J
Does anyone know where the money goes to when a company is fined for breaches of H&S legislation?
Thanks, B
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Posted By lisa mccaulder
the chancellor of the exchequer (sp?)
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Posted By steven bentham
Xmas party for HSE Inspectors?
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Posted By lisa mccaulder
LOL - Good idea!
Seriously though - why not use the money to help fund the HSE? Hard to see an objection to that especially if its used for advising and supporting employers - which is about all HSE can afford to do these days.
which means that someone will shortly advise me as to exactly what the objection is!
Lisa..
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Posted By Tabs
We live in a society that has a lot of bills to pay, and raising money as a sulf-funding cost centre doesn't always make sense or match the political imperitives (which are always different to each other).
One can imagine taxes which support the NHS being paid - but would those for invading countries that we have fallen out with get the same level of patronage?
Sadly, I dont think the revenue raised by fines would actually meet the costs of the HSE and LA enforcement anyway (most fines are quite modest). You may be able to correct me there - but when I wrote my thesis ten years ago, they didn't scratch the surface.
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Posted By lisa mccaulder
No Tabs you're right - they would not completely fund the HSE, only help to fund it; which is what I said to be fair - I'm under no illusions.
I agree that you couldn't pursue the idea as general political principle but I'm not sure that one-off funding relationships couldn't be drawn if there was public support for them???
Mind you then again, once a precedent was set, everyone would have a reason why they should get special funding:
Tax on boose and fags to the NHS
Road tax to public transport
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etc
yep its a recipe for disaster isn't it?
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Where does the money go?? Well if you actually check it out the money stays with the court system and is used to cover the cost of running the court system and paying out any finacial awards given to victims of crime. It is a falisy that the money goes to the Government, it is actually the other way round, the courts system costs the Governemnt hundreds of millions a year to run. The system is quite easy to understand, fines are paid to the court system, costs are paid to parties involved in undertaking the investigation and procecution, compensation is paid to those who are awarded it. It is not a means of raising revenue for the state. get a life.
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Posted By graeme12345
part of the money goes to court costs,the majority is paid to the body / person / organisation bringing the case to court which in cases of breach of H & S legisaltion means it goes to the HSE
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Posted By John Richards Since there is going to be a "shortfall" in funding to the magistrates court system, of some 30 million a year, you can expect the fines to rise quite steeply. Mind you, since there is soon going to be a whole new raft of people issuing fixed penalties, that shortfall may well be covered. http://www.dailymail.co....tterbugs-keeps-file.html
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Posted By garyh
Terrible idea for fines to go to HSE.
Think about it.......incentive would be to prosecute.........management "bean counter" pressure would be to prosecute as often as possible.
Advisory role would then stop - who would invite HSE to discuss issues under those circumstances. Then there is RIDDOR reporting........
Keep HSE away from benefitting from fines. They of course can be awarded costs - no problem.
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Posted By Peter Taylor14
next you`ll expect road tax to be spent on the roads
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Posted By John Richards
With a "visit" every 17 years (average) the "advisory" role stopped years ago.
The HSE was reduced to "ambulance chasing" years ago.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Road tax goes to fund roads ? YESYESYES ! wish it did. What a brilliant, new (ish) idea.
As some of you are aware I live and pay my taxes in France. Taxes and also "contributions" which are strictly ring fenced. your pay slip will have about 20 lines each showing how much of your salary goes towards pensions, maternity leave, Health Services and so on. And that is where it goes.
The thing is though, that when one of those services is undersubscribed, like the health service with it's "trou noir" of a few billion Euros they just invent a new "contribution" to pay for it. Which it doesn't of course.
Just to be provocative (well, it is the weekend) I yelled upstairs to my wife "who's the Prime Minister of France this week ?"
No idea.
Anyway. I didn't pay any income tax for last year. Got a £60 rebate instead.
comeandjoinus.
Merv
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
As a matter of information - £486,597,240 was the amount of outstanding fines at the end of 2007 tax year in England and Wales. I don't think the court system costs that much!
The Courts have an annual budget set by the Treasury and acts as the collector of revenues, ie fines, on behalf of the government. Recent news reports talk of a shortfall in the Courts Budget and the need to go back to the Treasury for additional funding.
Only one thing ring fenced is the fines - Treasury says they are theirs!!!
Bob
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