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Posted By Dominic Smyth
I am looking for information with regard to refresher training for wood working equipment.
I cannot see in the PUWER Regulations or ACOP/Guidance any reference to a specified period as to when refresher training should be carried out. Is this a statutory requirement as we have had a company contacting us saying that refresher training MUST be carried out every 3 or 5 years dependant upon frequency of use?
Please can anyone confirm whether this is correct or not?
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Posted By Dominic Smyth
Anyone?
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Posted By Mark S B
Check out The HSE website they have a section on woodworking.
as far as time scales for refreshers go the law isn't black and white on the subject.
For fork truck training 3-5 years is considered best practice,but this time scale is no good for operators that spend little time on the machine and you have to cut the period down accoringly.
there are other considerations as well for example the introduction of new technoledgy or an accident would require you to check the ability of your operator
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Posted By Mitch
Dominic,
Training for what?
Mitch
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Posted By Ali
Believe it or not "refresher training" is directed by "risk assessment" - sounds familiar ? If somene is competent and there have been no incidents or anything out of the ordinary the chances are he/she will not need any. However, if there has been incidents, near misses, accidents etc then almost ceratinly he/ she will require refresher training regardless of how long the last one was - this is in agreement with guidance for FLT drivers (for example). All that said, if you have a "co policy" that says they should get training every 3, 4, or 5 years, then it is much easier to follow and nobody will moan & groan at you either !
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Posted By ClaireL
The company are trying to con you into a service you don't need. There is no legal requirement for refresher training unless an incident or other situation (eg, lengthy absence) warranted it.
Training can be carried out in-house anyway.The Woodworking ACOP has an example of the type of training needed. If you don't have it the ACOP is the THE document you should have.
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Posted By ClaireL
To be sure, I meant the Woodworking ACOP not the PUWER ACOP.
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Posted By Dominic Smyth
Thanks everyone
The training company has also sent us some info from HSE which doesnt actually mention time scales though the way the company has worded the letter makes it sounds as though we would be in breach of regs if we dont accept their training offer.
By the way there have been no accidents for a number of years involved with the woodworking machinery. I suspected they were possibly trying to scare us (for want of a better word) into taking the training but as mentioned could not find any information with regard to timescales in regs etc
Will have a read of the above mentioned ACOP as recommended
Thanks guys
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Posted By Chris Pope
I reckon woodworking machinery to be 4 x more dangerous than most machinery. I have had a trainer from North Devon Collge provide a half day refresher to city and guilds qualified machinists and they had a lot to learn from him.
I don't see how you can tell if they are in need of a refresher unless you are a wood machinist yourself. Refrehser training should
Identify bad habits
Demonstrate safe "short cuts"
Introduce some of the new guarding technologies around.
however it is essential you find the right person to provide it. we were lucky and it was done for a very good price
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