Posted By ian_f We have a situation where a CDM-C IMO is being unreasonable (some say pedantic!) and wanting to see all training records for all site personnel. IMO I think this only needs to key appointments from the Principal Contractor and may be some specialist sub-contractors, although even these will be gathered by the PC prior to works commencing to ensure persons are adequately trained. I also don't see the need for these to be included within the construction phase plan. He has even asked that training needs to include CDM awarenes? Thoughts anyone?

Posted By Ron Hunter ian_f: I'm guessing you are (or represent) the Principal Contractor? If so, then both you and the CDM-C were appointed by the Client, and it is to him you should get back to in order to resolve the issue. I am generally supportive of your view. Whilst the CDM-C must be in a position to ADVISE the Client and the Principal Contractor of the competency of their appointments, such issues should be properly addressed at the Stage 1 pre-qualification and tender stages. If you are at, or are mobilising for, the construction phase of the Project, then it is a bit late for such detailed enquiries - unless the Client has a particular and specific concern?

Posted By ian_f Ron, I agree and thx! to start stage 1 and 2 competenacey aseessments at the stage we are at on our domestic sub-contractor is incompetant IMO. We are PC and am in a term contract with client, who is also CDM-C! just to confuse issues! We have stated that operatives will be trained/certificated where copies will be in held in the site safty file and will need to be presented at site induction if not already etc etc.

Posted By Ali ..also the CDM_C must be competent himself. Ever thought of challenging him ? You are entitled to. Also Reg 20 requires him to "take all reasonable steps...." which does not give him the power to demand unlike the HSE ! Some of them even look down on HSE inspectors, but to me they are simply glorified tick box admin people with NO H&S qualfications. In fact H&S qualifications is not even a pre-requisite !!

Posted By Ali Point taken thanks !! I used to be an ex EHO and have had my fair share of "bad" experiences with them.

Posted By Crim Ali, I'm interested in you used to be an ex EHO? I thought once you are ex something you are always ex that something unless you return to that area of work? Facetious or what? The CDM-C has a duty to recommend the P C's competence to the Client. The P C has a duty to competence check the sub-contractors and all other site operatives. If you have completed those checks and have nothing to hide why not invite the CDM-C to your office so that he/she can see your checks? Copy the Client inon your invitation so that they can see where their money is going. Otherwise just tell the CDM-C you have carried out your duties under CDM 07 if there is still a problem then speak to the Client. I know there are some CDM-C's who just create extra work for themselves in order to add to their fee.

Posted By Steve T. To Ian_f I am a CDM-C for a large CDM project and agree with comments from others that the that this CDM-C is going over the top. He is entitled to ask for evidence that you comply with paragraphs 193 to 240 and following tables of CDM 2007 ACOP. Good luck