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Posted By Robert_N
Hi All,
Some changes are being made on our site which means traffic via a fire door is vastley increasing my question is does this door need changing for one with a viewing window?
Could I also ask if there are cases which a window fire door should be done?
Many thanks
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Posted By steve g
Hi Robert
if traffic is increased then a georgian glass viewing window could be one solution,is there an alarm system in situ if so could a dorguard or electro magnet be fitted and an automatic closure which would enable the door to stay open,but close on the activation of the alarm thus achieving fire retention and maintaining compartmentation
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Posted By jervis
As Steve has said you should be using a automatic door guard which would keep the door open if in continuance use.Don't be tempted to wedge open the door as this is illegal.
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Posted By Robert_N
Many thanks for your speedy replies.
The door currently installed has a pull arm device to ensure the door is always closed. Our shipping department are putting a counter in the drivers room which is the other side of the mentioned fire door so traffic between the office and counter will be high. Is there any problem with the door not having a veiwing window?
You lot are top dolla.....
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Posted By jervis
I would of thought if it was going to be used as much as you it would need a glass panel.This would have to come under fire reg standards easy to find on website.Sounds like there could be a few incidents if not carefull.
If this is main fire exit corridor it should be kept clear check fire risk assessment!
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Posted By steve g
seems to me your risk of collision and or would increase with serious consequences,a window would suit if the door cannot be held open but be careful that the integrity of the door is not breached ie use suitable fire bonds beads and fillers around the glass frame and ensure correct strengthened glass is used
steve
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Posted By Robert_N
Is there anything that states when a viewing window fire door should be used as I have to give reason to wanting the door changed. I feel that not having a window will increase the chance of an accident but may need more reasons.
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Posted By jervis
May be easier to do a risk assessment on it if the door is being used more then theres an accident waiting to happen!
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Posted By steve g
surely robert the fact that you believe the risk factor has increased likelyhood x severity has changed and so risk asessment deemed some action ,not sure if there is specific requirements regarding fitting a window apart from the integrity issue as other solutions may be possible is there room for a second door so can have an in out procedure in place
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Posted By Lulu
ACOP guidance for regulation 18 in the Workplace Regs
Doors and gates which swing in both directions should have a transparent panel except if they are low enough to see over. Conventionally hinged doors on main traffic routes should also be fitted with such panels. Panels should be positioned to enable a person in a wheelchair to be seen from the other side.
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Posted By Richard Altoft
If competent to do so why not do a fire risk assessment on the building etc to see if the door really needs to be self closing or even there at all. On occasions buildings are overspecified and the problem item such as a door can be quite safely modified or even removed without increasing risks overall. If it is required to control risks then other solutions such as auto close devices, fire resistant glazed panels etc can be considered
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Posted By Messy Shaw
There's a lot of talk on this site about installing dorgard door holders to 'manage' difficult fire door locations..
Whilst this type of kit is an excellent method of ensuring the availabiliy of a fire door (and is far better than a wedge!), such installation must be subject to a review of the FRA before work commences.
The FRA must take into account whether there is adequate smoke detection* and whether the audibility of the alarm will be sufficient to operate the device.
*I have seen dorgards in a premises with no automatic detection and the RP was relying on the actuation of the manual call point to oeprate the dorgards - This was deemed unacceptable and an enforcement notice followed
It's also not best practice to have dorgards in risk critical locations such as on to staircases of single staircase buildings, or kitchens where there's likely only to be heat detection (not smoke) on the kitchen side of the door.
So while the installation of such devices often improves the situation, it is not a panacea for managing fire doors and care must be exercised - esp in sleeping risks
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Posted By Hugo
Hi, Maybe a bit late. Vision panels are necessary when a "room is within a room" such as a small office in the corner of a warehouse floor, so a fire outside can be seen.
No problem adding on as long as it meets the building regs standards and would stop people opening doors onto each other.
Just don't reduce the level of protection "as a guide"
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