Welcome Guest! The IOSH forums are a free resource to both members and non-members. Login or register to use them

Postings made by forum users are personal opinions. IOSH is not responsible for the content or accuracy of any of the information contained in forum postings. Please carefully consider any advice you receive.

Notification

Icon
Error

Options
Go to last post Go to first unread
Admin  
#1 Posted : 15 September 2008 13:36:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By DPK I am currently investigating a workplace accident which has caused a personal injury to an employee. On checking all the relevent information such as training, environment, SOP and PPE which all appear to be in place and relevent to the task, i have a niggling doubt in the back of my mind. Could the injury have been deliberately caused by the injured party, there were no others involved, no witnesses in a busy workplace environment, a claim already against the company by the same person, which i feel is defendable and we are doing so. How do i proceed with this investigation as it is not just i who has this opinion, the really difficult part is ensuring i stay completly objective and impartial. I have never investigation an accident before where there was such a question raised seriously. I know the details are vague but i am sure you will understand the need to keep it that way. DPK
Admin  
#2 Posted : 15 September 2008 14:12:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Swis HI DPK, It seems to be a 'confusing' situation but it happens occasionallly at our work places. The only thing you can do now is to carry out the investigation routinely. Recording all the relevent details such as; 1) details of the accident/incident 2) details of all injured party 3) details of any witnesses 4) possible cause of the accident/incident 5) details of corrective actions to prevent reoccurrence of the accident/incident. 6) was there any supervisor present (if not why not) You must ensure that a systematic approach is taken to log and investigate the incident. Rrecord any past incidents this individual has been involved in. Review his/her training records. Log any re-fresher training provided to this individual. This way you can trasfer the burden of negligence to individual (to a certain extent though). This information will prove useful in your/organisation's defence.
Admin  
#3 Posted : 15 September 2008 14:20:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By David Bannister DPK, Get the injured person to show you how the injury occured and as far as possible try to recreate the conditions immediately prior to the incident, ensuring that a second one doesn't happen (whoops there goes another finger). What were they doing at the time, was that normal, did they notice anything abnormal etc. Ask other people if they have ever experienced something similar (near miss?). Record everything, including "didn't see anything" witness statements, signed-off. Take photos and/or videos. If this is machinery based, speak to the suppliers for their view but be aware that they will be naturally defensive for fear of being dragged in to any dispute. If you still suspect this is anything other than a genuine accident then involve the senior management of the company, inform them of your findings and suspicions and delegate this upwards! If your suspicions are very strong at this early stage, get a senior manager involved early. If this is likely to result in a liability claim against the company, get the insurers involved at the earliest opportunity too. Ensure the injured person is fully involved in every step and give them an opportunity to back out of their hole if they are in one, before passing to HR or equivalent for disciplinary procedures. If this is genuine then put the system failure right. If this is as you suspect, figure out why and put that right. End result: learn from the experience so that it doesn't happen again.
Admin  
#4 Posted : 15 September 2008 16:12:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Ron Hunter Get the "IP" to describe the incident in a closed room away from distractions and well removed from the locus. THEN take them to the locus and ask them to describe it again. Contrast and compare...............?
Admin  
#5 Posted : 15 September 2008 18:44:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By jervis You should be treating it like any other accident get your evidence together before you make any reports.If the I.P.has been injured before it could be the machinery etc is faulty. Has he followed the risk assessments if there is any! Dont jump to any conclusions untill you get all the evidence. If you have any include your Union safety rep they do a good job.
Admin  
#6 Posted : 15 September 2008 20:29:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Kieran J Duignan DPK If you are fairly convinced that the company has safeguarded the employee, a useful perspective lies in asking what you plan to advise senior management they should defend if the claim of the employee is challenged. One way of clearing the ground may be to commission an independent report from a chartered safety practitioner with experience as an expert witness, so your company will have an independent report to present as evidence to the employee and his/her advisers as a basis for fair negotiation rather than litigation. If it's a sound report that supports your employer, even it the case goes to a court hearing, the claimant may face quite a challenge to support his/her claim. Basically, it's an issue of establishing facts without bias.
Admin  
#7 Posted : 16 September 2008 07:10:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Bob Youel you also need as accurate a profile of the person as poss e.g. Historic: Accident, absense, attitude, personal traits etc data
Admin  
#8 Posted : 16 September 2008 07:26:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By John Richards Before you put down any SUSPICIONS about what you THINK may be behind the accidents in WRITING you need to ensure that your WRITTEN suspicions are secure. ie: they need to have legal privilege invoked. How you do that is up to you. Any accident report you make will be available to the opposing party at a later date if you do not. Putting in writing that you think the accident "victim" is faking it and lying is, effectively, putting a noose around your neck.
Admin  
#9 Posted : 16 September 2008 12:53:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Philip Evans During my career, I can remember three incidents relevant to this discussion. In the first case, two independent witnesses would not agree where the injured person was standing before he was hit by a fork lift truck. In the second case, which became a criminal injury trial, the injured person asked another employee to cut off the end of his finger. In the third case, it was alleged by a witness that the injured girl was being cuddled by a male employee when she was trapped in a large metal door. I agree with the other replies. Just stick to facts which can be verified.
Admin  
#10 Posted : 16 September 2008 13:46:00(UTC)
Rank:: Guest
Admin

Posted By Steph Hi Who is acting on the company's behalf for the current claim? Have you advised them? Perhaps they (insurer / solicitor) could take over, or advise you in, the investigation. Could there be a link with the current claim and this one? Limited details for obvious reasons - in a former role I investigated an alleged incident where the employee claimed an accident and injury - similarly there were no witnesses and the method of reporting was vague and hence caused some delay in investigating. I had doubts about this alleged incident and its validity and involved HR and senior management, and historical issues then came to light. In essence the investigation concluded that there was no evidence to substantiate the claim, risk assessments and procedures were not complied with, and the IP had been working in a dangerous manner. The IP refuted this and claimed for PI. I handed the case over to our insurer who subsequently discovered history, and progressed their investigation which resulted in the claim being withdrawn and more. The investigation did take a lot of time and effort and I had to really dig deep with senior management, but my 'gut feeling' was right. It is possible that you cannot find anything to substantiate your doubts; but you need to be able to demonstrate and be confident that you have investigated fairly and professionally. In my case the IP reported the incident to the HSE who investigated and agreed with me. Tolley's book on Accident Investigation is really good, if you need a reference and checklists. I had many doubts
Users browsing this topic
Guest
You cannot post new topics in this forum.
You cannot reply to topics in this forum.
You cannot delete your posts in this forum.
You cannot edit your posts in this forum.
You cannot create polls in this forum.
You cannot vote in polls in this forum.