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#1 Posted : 20 October 2008 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Is it normal practice, or advised anywhere, that you should use fire retardent paint in communal areas in properties, i.e. lounge areas in hostels? Thanks,
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#2 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Anyone?
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#3 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Brenda, No nothing specific in law. What does your FRA say? Would the application of flame retardant paint to an existing structure help any potential hazard identified? Mitch
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#4 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel putting on retarding paints over some types of other paints can add risk - get suitable advice
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#5 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Brenda, Have a look at Building Regs Doc B. Mitch
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#6 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Beevers This is similar to somethign I'm just being asked about. Would 1 layer of Vinyl Matt paint (dulux) alter the fire spread charateristics of a wall (class 0 plasterboard)? Any knowledge gratefully recieved. Al.
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#7 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Brenda You may already have intumescent paint or retardant paint in place without realising it, in such areas as you describe so as to comply with part B (part 7 I think)of the building regulations whenever change of use, modification or building works were undertaken; works would not of course be restricted to just the wall coatings. It would therefore be quite correct to continue with this; you can also, (to enhance the workability of your FRA) ensure it is done when re-decorating and there are many products that currently exist to select from. I have included some links that you may find helpful. http://www.planningporta...ls/en/1115314683691.html http://www.emeraldinsigh...=lnkpdf&contentId=876841 http://www.wealden.gov.u...BCInformationSheet11.PDF Others no doubt will assist. All the best CFT
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#8 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Mitch, thankyou, which part of the bld regs? Not over familiar with it. CFT, thankyou also, part 7... this is about loadbearing elements of structure. The thing is, the new paint job is only on half the room. So half will be in fire retardent paint and the other half in the old paint, which we're not sure what it is. Also, the difference in price is huge!
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#9 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Hi Richard I have no experience that would suggest one coat of matt vinyl paint would make any determinable change in fire patters or characteristics; you would probably need to talk with the manufactures to request test information. The concept behind many retardant paints but not all, is that on contact with flame it releases a gas that helps to keep the fire at bay. This would ultimately make a difference, but when dealing with an 'out of control' fire I doubt that it would add many seconds, hopefully everyone would be safely evacuated. All the best CFT
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#10 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Brenda Thank you for the correction and I apologise, it was a guess from memory. Cost Brenda (IMO) should not be a consideration if the benefit outweighs a poorer alternative. But I know where you are coming from. All the best CFT
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#11 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Brenda Part B2 section 7 is wall & ceiling linings, I thought too I didn't recognise the load bearing reference. http://www.planningporta...s/br/BR_PDF_ADB_2000.pdf CFT
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#12 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Beevers Thanks CFT. There appears to be no readily available test data. The query has come up because of a new colouring - same paint but the client corporate purple. It's a very small area so I'll categorise as 'not significant'. Al.
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#13 Posted : 21 October 2008 12:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch Brenda, do a tinternet search on Approved Document B this covers fire safety, http://www.planningporta...ls/en/4000000000084.html As mentioned some paints release gases, some are intumescent etc etc they are of varying prices so it might be with shopping around, try talking to a reputable fire protection company as an alternative to a decorating company. If cost is an issue there are also proprietary systems that can be installed to protect load bearing structures. Mitch
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#14 Posted : 21 October 2008 16:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H I have access to a copy of Approved Doc B, although find it a bit confusing and sometimes hard to work through, probably because of my unfamiliarity with it! Still not sure on the way forward, must be having a stressful afternoon !
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#15 Posted : 22 October 2008 11:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By DPK Brenda To answer your question, it is not normal practice, but it is best practice. One coat of fire retardant paint covering multiple layers of none fire retardant paint will not offer much if any protection as the heat generated by any fire will expose the flammable paints underneath. Fire loading can be greatly reduced by ensuring combustible materials are not used , kept or stored in protective fire escape routes e.g. bags & coats in school corridors. Protected routes are exactly that, and practical measures should be made to maintain them as such. I know very few fire safety officers who would pull you up for using none fire retardant paint, however i know numerous how would pull you up for storage of combustibles in these areas. Don't forget fire retardant is not the same as inert, so sooner or later fire retardant paint will become affected by the effects of fire. So if it has no significant fire loading on the building i wouldn't focus on it too much. If you need a chat feel free to give me a call. Regards DPK
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