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Posted By ByronMRodgers
Hi. I hope you can help me.
A client of mine has a compressor which supplies air at 7-8 bar along a piped network supporting, among other things, air pressure blow guns for clearing dust and powders from workbenches and work-pieces where welding and soldering takes place. The guns are small hand-held things but they don't have a regulator or limiter so air is pumped at between 7-8 bar when they are activated.
I cant' find any legislation which specifically limits the pressure, but obviously a risk assessment could come up with this as a control measure. Has anyone here had experience of these little beasts and if so what did you do, if anything?
Byron
PS I've read the PSSR and know about the tests and competent persons etc, but there's nothing about pressure limits.
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Posted By WTaylor
I did some research on this last year.
Our system is 90psi, but our guns reduce the pressure to under 30psi. From what I've read it's generally accepted that below 30psi there are no health effects.
However, blowing wood-dust around does increase the risk of inhalation and eye injury, which we've had to control with goggles and dust-masks. But this is for short periods only.
Don't ask me to convert psi into bars! lol
Will
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Posted By Casanova
Byron,
We work at 7 bar and use guns with release holes around the nozzle perimeter, so if you put your finger, or any other body part, over the end the air escapes through the sides.
If this does not fulfill your requirement loot at fitting regulators in the welding booths or just give the operators a brush and remove the guns/hazard!
Mitch
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Posted By Casanova
Damn,
There goes my noms de guerre.
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Posted By David Bannister
Hi Byron, diffusers at the tips are generally reckoned to be an effective way of reducing the risk of high pressure air being injected BUT they often seem to go missing as users perceive that they reduce the efficiency of the air stream.
Is it possible to suck rather than blow? That way the muck gets cleared instead of moved and the risk from dust, particles, air is largely removed. There is a wide variety of industrial vacuum cleaners that should be able to do a job for you.
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Posted By Geoff W
90psi = 6 bar
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Posted By ByronMRodgers
Thanks for the replies so far. There doesn't seem to be any specific legislation which limits the pressure so I'll just have to go with my gut feeling, the compressor manufacturers hand-book and a thorough risk assessment.
I think the best idea for my client is likely to be changing the type of gun to those with side diffusers, which to a large extent will prevent accidents due to horseplay and accidental contact pressure.
I've been on the various suppliers web pages and they don't seem too expensive - I just have to convince the client of the risk.
On with the risk assessment!
Thanks again.
Byron
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
From your post it sounds like the operators require training in the safe use of airline attachments. Blowing debris from a bench with an airline is a definite no no, 35psi is bad but at 7-8 bar 100+psi absolutely not. Any piece of debris becomes a projectile. I have on many occasions had to stop this practice.
An airline operated vacuum is much safer.
If blow guns are essential to the job/task get in line restrictors fitted 35psi or replace the guns with restrictors in them,they should also have nozzle breaks. An injection of air through the skin can be fatal!
Just remind them that compressed air IS Dangerous stuff.
Regards AlAN
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Posted By Chris Packham
There are simple, air operated, hand held guns that appear very similar to a normal blow gun, but that actually use the compressed air to create a vacuum and thus to suck up any dust and transfer it into a bag or through a hose to a suitable container. Cheaper and less cumbersome than an electrically operated vacuum.
I think you will find these in the RC Components catalogue.
Chris
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Posted By Chris Packham
Sorry, my typing. It should, of course, have read RS Components.
Chris
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Posted By Phil Grace
Oh dear oh dear....
I can not believe that this forum is discussing this subject. I agree with the comments from other posters about the undesirability of this practice. But what concerns me is the large number commenting on which pressure to use. It would seem that there are many workplaces where "blowing down" is still routine and/or accepted practice.
I just can not accept that, in 2008, it is still regarded as acceptable to blow down/off workbenches, workpieces etc. It is a practice that does nothing but spread any dust around, putting into the workplace atmosphere and making the smaller particles breathable. And as some people have commented at higher pressures larger particles can become dangerous projectiles.
And then there is the depressing aspect that the presence of airlines in the workplace may offer temptation for horseplay.
Finally, if anyone isn't convinced they should visit the HSE's LEV site where the levels of dust generated by common working practices are graphically illustrated by short videos - including one on use of an airline for cleaning.
Phil
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Posted By Phil Grace
Oh, I forgot to add; compressed air is very, very expensive. Far too expensive to waste by releasing it into the atmosphere in an uncontrolled fashion!
Phil
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Posted By Merv Newman
While I would agree that sucking rather than blowing would be good practice there are many practical situations wherein sucking is nowhere near as practical as blowing (how do you get 1 mm of dust from a sticky 2mm hole ?)
Airline pistols are usually limited to 2 bar (1.97 At ?) to avoid the 6 bar "blowing through the skin" factor.(Apocryphal or not ? you tell me)
While I may not like blowing I have, over the years, had to accept that there is little practical alternative; so long as the pistols are limited and the operator and bystanders are protected from potential blow back.
Your RA may say different but let's be practical here.
Merv
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Posted By Bossa nova
Careful Merv,
Mentioning practical on this forum tut tut
Supernova
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Posted By Pete48
You can check around the worlds safety info sites and you will find a consistent statement that using compressed air to clean down workplaces is either "a dangerous practice" or one that is written as "don't" or "never" use compressed air to clean---
This is good guidance that should be followed in most workplaces.
However, where there is no other option than to use compressed air to clean or blow down materials, then the design of the safe system of work is critical. Most countries quote that the pressure should be limited to the minimum pressure required to achieve the cleaning and in any event not exceed 2 barg (30 psi), adequate ppe must be worn and the design of the blow gun should consider chip guards, extension tubes or guns equipped with injection exhausts and particle collection bags.
Others have highlighted the other risks created by the use of blow guns, so I will not repeat them here.
The accidents and injuries are real and not confined to the UK. Many of the stories that people quote are, however, from accidents involving horseplay or using the air to clean clothing or hair.
Injuries can occur at very low pressures if the supply is misused and also the gun does not need to be placed on the body for injury to occur. There are cases of rectal and colon injury from distances up to 50cm away at pressures of 3 barg for less than a second. Injuries to the eardrum are also on record.
So in summary, compressed air is a workplace hazard that requires specific risk controls. There is plenty of guidance out there around the web or from the industry associations such as http://www.britishcompressedairsociety.co.uk
Usual disclaimer that I am not connected to BCAS in any way.
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Posted By BB
Hi Bryon,
As Merv has said, sometimes blowguns are a necessary evil.
However, there are some top-notch suppliers out there that can supply excellently designed, safer, quieter, more economical-to-use units. These are also designed specifically with safety as priority.
In the past, I have used Silvent units (there are other manufacturers too) and in my opinion, they were a vast improvement over the £5 specials available in some tool supply catalogues. Of course, they were also more expensive.
OSHA have done heaps of work on this and set guidelines on pressure requirements. This tends to be often referenced and in the absence of anything closer to home, is worth taking into account.
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Posted By Chris Packham
There is actually a compressed air gun that both blows and sucks! The gun has an extension tube that can be inserted into a hole and provides a jet of air to loosen the soiling and to provide some air flow. The gun also has a wider nozzle around the tube that then sucks away the soiling down a hose into a suitable receptacle.
If anyone is interested contact me direct and I can tell them where they can be found.
Chris
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