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Posted By pol
Good Morning,
I would be keen to know colleagues views on the the requirement to wear protective footwear when using roll cages for short periods of time.
Deliveries of goods are made to the front of of premises dropped by tail lift to footpath level and then pushed across the footpath and usually up a wheelchair type access ramp and into the retail area of the shop. Shop staff are required to move the cages or assist the delivery driver once the tail lift is lowered. There have been 3 recent instances of injuries to staff and 2 near misses that I am aware of this year solely in my region. The employer states that due to the short period of time that the individuals are "at risk" they are not prepared to provide PPE. The employer is a large national retail outlet . Personally i believe there is a risk it has been identified PPE may not negate the risk but reduce the potential injury however the client is adamant regarding their stance on this matter .
Your views would be greatly appreciated. Pol
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Posted By Neil R
Surely by the fact that you have had 3 injuries and 2 near misses tht would tell them that something needs to be done.
The logic of a short period of time at risk is absolute garbage if we use that logic we dont need masks if we work with asbestos for a few minutes a day or we dont have to wear safety glasses whilst using a circular saw for a few minutes.
Injuries are happening and nothings being done and thats a breach of regulations as long as your arm. Perhaps if they dont listen a call to your local authority might wake them up.
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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias
Totally agree that the length of time is neither here nor there, but an important factor in reaching a decision to provide PPE is the number of employees at risk. your 3 accidents and near miss might be a high accident rate if your workforce is small, however, if you have lots of people exposed to the same risk, you might not necessarily have to use PPE providing adequate training and supervision are evident.
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Posted By Chris Packham
I agree with Neil. Consider the following scenario:
Employee not provided with PPE and suffers a serious injury with crushed foot. Outcome is that they may be unable to walk normally again.
Presumably HSE informed (RIDDOR) and investigate. Possible criminal proceedings against employer. Also hefty claim for compensation.
What defence will the employer offer? What could the ultimate cost to the company be? How would this relate to the cost of providing appropriate PPE?
Could the organisation not ensure that only a limited number of people, suitably trained, and equipped with appropriate PPE, are allowed to assist with unloading?
Chris
P.S. Were the injuries mentioned reported to HSE under RIDDOR/ If so what line did HSE take?
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Posted By DP
Pol - you have hit on a hot potato in retail here - drop me a line and I'll let you have my phone number to discuss.
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
Neil#
you are spot on but there is an allowance for short duration and exposure levels in most regs. Somebody without a mask for a few minutes is undoubtedly less at risk than somebody without a mask all day...or is he?
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Posted By Smiff
I think you have the proof you need that there is a foreseeable risk.
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Posted By Bossa nova
Pol,
I am assuming the injuries were to the feet as a direct result of the Roll Cages? As an alternative to PPE cannot skirts (not in a sexist kind of way) be fitted to the cages to eliminate the hazard?
Littleover
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Posted By Neil R
"Somebody without a mask for a few minutes is undoubtedly less at risk than somebody without a mask all day...or is he?"
Ah the million dollar question, answers on a postcard please.
This has cropped up so many times, I've known people who have worked with asbestos for years, even used to make snowballs out if it and throw them at each other who are still here fit as a fiddle. I have also known people who have had very little exposure but have died of mesothelioma.
In this case, although some regs do have short duration 'clauses', the amount of exposure to the hazard isnt reducing the risk to an acceptable level on its own, just because someone isnt pushing these cages all day doesnt eliminated or reduce the risk of foot injuries occuring.
The company in question is failing to be proactive but they're not even being reactive in their approach. but i guess thats the retail industry for you, profit before people is the order of the day in most cases.
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Posted By bobsafe's wing man
I used to work in food retail, the biggest issue we had with roll cages was that the driver would not leave the back of the vehicle - he would put the cages onto the tail lift and lower it but that was it. Shop staff, male and female, would be expected to drop the small ramp and pull/push the cages into the store.
There was also the issue of the roll cage being overloaded for the type of surface - public pavement with the usual bumps and holes etc.
I have seen plently of instances of the fully laden roll cage tipping over the back of the tail lift when it was in the raised position and also when it was being moved across the pavement.
Despite repeated complaints about overloading all we got back was that the weight of stock in the cages were within the guidelines and to get on with it. They couldn't comprehend the fact that we were going over an uneven public pavement rather than a smooth loading bay floor.
Management and staff who unloaded/loaded the vehicles did not have any ppe.
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Posted By Bossa nova
It's not the weight but the distribution, centre of gravity, of the weight. If skirts were fitted this would require the pushers/pullers to navigate a safer route.
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Posted By pol
Thank you all for your input into this issue. I strongly feel there is patent evidence of a risk and that either the the retail store allocates individuals with suitable and sufficient training and PPE to assist with the relocation of roll cages from the kerbside delivery point possibly up wheel chair access ramps ramps where necessary, and potentially through the retail area to either a storage area or to be directly decanted onto the shelves. Staff members wearing cotton espadrilles, sandals or trainers (in my opinion) should not be partaking in such activity whether of 5 or 15 minute duration. Whether filled with loo roll or pet food, a roll cage can cause serious injuries. On the back of comments I am determined to push for either allocation of duties and assoc training and PPE.
Thank you to all that contributed
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