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Posted By Ian Futcher
Ladies and Gentlemen
Although I have nearly 15 years experience in safety in a manufacturing environment, Food Safety issues are something outside my experience. I have recently been elected as Secretary for our local Sports and Social Club, and of course as a Safety Expert (ha!) thay expect me to know everything.
The club has playing fields and a changing pavilion, plus a clubhouse with bar and “kitchen area”.
I have noticed that, normally, no one uses the kitchen area for anything other than arranging on plates sandwiches prepared at home, or maybe re-warming cooked sausages for hot-dogs. This food is normally free to the club activities (Darts team, Pool team and visiting teams etc).
However, I have recently seen a barman bring uncooked sausages and bacon into the kitchen and cook it for the Football club’s team, opponents and supporters (free to teams, purchased by supporters). I am assured (and am in the process of verifying) that he has all the relevant food preparation certificates, but I know that none of the other volunteer staff have any certification in food preparation. The cleaning staff only perform the expected cleaning of the bar and clubhouse, and although the kitchen is “clean”, I’m not sure that it is hygienic to the level that might be needed for Snack-bar/Cafe Kitchens.
The football club secretary tells me it is a local league requirement for food to be provided to visiting teams, and if we don’t they will be kicked out. I have posed the question to them whether the food must be hot food, or if sandwiches will meet their league rules, but am awaiting an answer.
My questions are: Does the premises have to be certificated and/or registered? Does it make any difference whether the food is provided free or purchased? Are there different rules over hot and cold food? Is there a web-link to standards that are expected?
I’ve looked on the Local Authority Website, and can’t seem to find these answers; I was hoping someone here could inform me, so that I don’t have to go and visit the council and thus raise suspicion in their EHO group and prompt them to give us an unwanted visit!
All sensible advice and expertise welcomed.
Thanks
Ian
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Posted By Swis
Hi Ian,
You are required to register the club as a food business if you are providing catering at the premises.
In addition you should have a food safety management system implemented. You can down load ‘Safer Food Better Business” pack from Food Standards Agency (which can be classified a management system).
As a food business operator you are required that food handlers are adequately supervised, instructed and trained in food safety matters. However, this training needs not be a professional training from a course provider. You can deliver a bsic in-house provided that you can prove that it has been provided.
The main laws which cover the above are:
European Regulations: 852/2004, 178/2004.
Food Hygiene Regs 2004 & 2006.
For any further info , please ask.
Swis
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Posted By TT
As above.
As in many things, the 'ideal' is that all staff should have their Level 2 in Catering Food Safety or better but its not a legal requirement.
Your Local Authority may provide free or very cheap training if you want to dot all the i's etc.
They should also be able to provide you with a free copy of Safer Food Better Business although, given the low amount of food preparation on site, this may be a little OTT. However, it would be an easy way of ensuring compliance.
Registration is via your Local Authority too.
I wouldn't be too worried about talking to the LA, you won't rank very high on their radar and they'll be more than happy to inform you of their local expectations.
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Posted By TT
Oh...and yes there are slightly different rules for hot/cold food but not in relation to the environment they are prepared in. Only in relation to the temperature requirements they are cooked to/kept at.
Readily cleansable surfaces should be everywhere - bare untreated wood/plaster is a no-no. Tiles, painted surfaces, worktops in good condition are all fine. You won't suddenly be told to go and purchase a full stainless steel catering kitchen!
To put a health & safety slant on it, make sure that the floor is suitable too. Slips & trips in catering is a current priority.
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Posted By Ian Futcher
The Football club secretary has just mailed me to say, and I quote:
"The regulations clearly state that it relates to the Sale of Food. As we are not selling 95% of the food that comes out of the kitchen then we can argue that the regulations do not apply."
Is this true? Is this a reasonable "defence"?
Ian
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Posted By PBH
Hi Ian,
Agree with the above posters, remember you will also need a designated wash hand basin which cannot be used for any other purpose. Also that sandwiches are high risk as they are ready to eat.
Having inspected dozens (if not hundreds) of similar types of undertakings, I would recommend you ring Your LA Env. Health Dept and ask for an advisory visit. This will then give you an idea of exactly what you need to do with your premises. Usually they are very good at this as it saves everyone work in the long run. Also if you keep the food really simple you won't go far wrong
If you want to get the legislation only bother with 852/2004 which can be down loaded via the FSA website (www.food.gov.uk) or OPSI website.
The SFBB pack may be a little over the top for what you are doing, but it is free, has lots of pictures and an interactive DVD.
Hope this helps
Paul
Cider tonight :-)
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Posted By Ian Futcher
Brilliant - exactly what I wanted.
I thought he was wrong, just didn't know where to find it.
Ian
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Posted By Swis
Ian,
If your club provides food to its memebrs then it will be classified as "Food Business". And the definition for food business is as stated by EC 178/2004 Regulations;
" 'food business' means any undertaking, whether for profit or not and whether public or private, carrying out any of the activities related to any stage of production, processing, and distribution of food".
I think the above statment should be sufficient to convince secratery.
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Regardless of amount you sell or provide to your memebers, you are required by law to have a food safety Management system witch follows HACCP priniciples. I will strongly recommend you to get SFBB pack. I agree with TT stating that there's no harm contacting your local Authority for guidance. They are generally very helpful.(I've been one of them)
The only way out from Management system is by providing kitchen only and by NOT provding the food.
Swis
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Posted By Ian Futcher
Thanks to everyone who gave sterling advice.
The Club Committee Meeting was last night and as a result of the advice we are now much clearer about what we must do, and people have actions allocated to them!
But Committee Meetings have the habit of highlighting a little area that you hadn't thought of, so the following question was asked, and of course, I didn't know, but I said "I know of a forum..." ;-)
If the club is hired out for a private function, and the hirer uses private caterers (either certified, or family/home prepared), what are our responsibilities? Are they the same or different compared to when we prepare food?
Thanks in advance for your answers.
Ian
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Posted By Swis
Ian,
You would not be responsible for providing training to ‘others’ in this case. However, you must ensure that kitchen and all the equipment provided remains clean, tidy and in good state of hygiene and repair at all times in order to prevent any health hazard to the users. You can achieve this by displaying suitable food safety and hygiene posters as well as setting responsibilities and procedures with contractors/hirers.
You must also have adequate insurance cover.
swis
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Posted By TT
I bet you really enjoy these committee meetings eh? ;)
Ditto Swis's comments. No need for you to take any 'management' responsibility for the food produced by others - just a structural one. Still need to give them clean surfaces, working fridges, freezers and ovens etc. but you will hopefully already have these via your own management systems.
I would just recommend you consider the level of use the kitchen will get and what the requirements will be of those using it. i.e. how much will the extra wear and tear mean to us, are they going to be attempting too much (cooking a banquet for 100 in a small kitchen for example!) and how much do we trust them to look after our kitchen facilities?
Ironically, if you weren't doing any food yourself and only hiring out the place once or twice a year then you probably wouldn't need to register as a food premises...
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Posted By Ian Futcher
Thanks Swis and TT
Together with implementing the thrust of the maintenance hints listed above, the balance of opinion at the Club is moving towards exactly the position you describe in your list para TT, to only provide crisps etc behind the bar, to get others to cater for the Club events, and leave it to the hirer for private functions.
...and as for me loving the meetings: no, but I love seeing the crestfallen look on the faces of the die-hards when they are overruled by the sensible majority (as long as I'm not the one voted down!)
Ian
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Posted By TT
You'll love me for this....
Food includes the beer you sell behind the bar....along with the crisps!
Low risk though. Very low risk. Still a food premises though so you will still need to register and submit for the once in an eternity inspections from your local EHO.
I'm afraid hot or not just changes your level of risk.
I suspect your fellow club committee members have a fear or inherent dislike of the idea of a Local Authority visit which is (probably) not justified!
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Posted By Swis
Sorry forgot to mention that even thought you are not required by law to implement HACCP system at your premises; you are still required to register the premises with LA. The rule is
“If food premises are used by several catering businesses, the person who allows the premises to be used for this purpose is responsible for registering them”.
swis
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