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#1 Posted : 19 November 2008 11:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Apart from an early Act of Parliament to look after the welfare of apprentices does anyone know when the safety movement came into being? The earliest I’ve come across to date is by the Great Western Railway Company in 1913 when faced with the government of the day threatening to pass an Act to force all railway companies to clean up their act (a sort of HSWA of its day) with regards to the safety of their workforces. Because of WW1 the Act never came into being. The movement work of the GWR continued the after that war. The activity initially used flyers with hints and tips on the right and wrong way of doing a task along with the printed word using photo’s and cartoons with the characters falling into all sorts of scrapes. These flyers were eventually pulled together into a pocket sized book and issued to some 80 000 of its employees. The pocket book was backed up with a quarterly magazine (I think) that had various competitions and promoting safe workers to their peers. It was ground breaking stuff of the day that was followed by the other railway companies when they saw how well the GWR were succeeding in reducing fatalities and injuries. If anyone wishing to know more, should then write to the Great Western Railway Society, Didcot and request a copy of their in house journal #183 (small fee involved). This is not advertising any product but just passing on useful info for the intersted. Can anyone top that? Badger
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#2 Posted : 19 November 2008 12:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze I think anyone familiar with the writings of Charles Dickens can see that there was a growing movement for labour reforms in the Victorian age. I think modern Occupational Health & Safety probably stems from this movement with the Health & Morals of Apprentices Act to which you refer arising from this movement. The irony of the reactionary press today describing practitioners as Scrooges attempting to ban Christmas, is therefore not lost.
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#3 Posted : 19 November 2008 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sen Sar This site has some really interesting acts of Parliament. http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts.htm Including: Sale of Arsenic Regulation 1851 Explosive Substances Act 1875 Sale of Food and Drugs Act 1875 Boiler Explosions Act, 1890 Sar
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#4 Posted : 19 November 2008 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant See of you can find a copy of Eddie Crooks' book "The Factory Inspectors: A History of Health and Safety in the Workplace", ISBN 9780752435695. The Health and Morals of Apprentices Act, 1802 (see above post) wasn't really "H&S", and would probably be more of a 'welfare and facilities' law if you had to pick. It required child apprentices in mills to be provided with two changes of clothes, separate sleeping areas for girls and boys, daily instruction in math and reading, and provision of Christian education on Sundays. The only clause specific to health is the requirement that mills be ventilated and lime-washed. The first real H&S provision is in the 1844 Factory Act (aka the 12 hours Act), where there is a requirement for dangerous machinery within a mill to be enfenced. Before these, it was of course still possible to be prosecuted if you injured or killed an employee, but the laws were reactive rather than proactive, so working conditions weren't a concern so long as you ended the day with the same number of people as you started.
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#5 Posted : 19 November 2008 12:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis When you look back over the 19th century I think that you can say that the safety movement really started as a disaster again unfolded. Those with social consciences felt that too many were maimed or killed while employers began to see the loss of an assett, although this was much later in the century. A review of the Royal Commission into the deaths from the building the Woodhead Tunnel show how late in time were employers who still thought an extra penny on detonators was too large a cost to save lives. Look for speeches by Lord Shaftesbury in Lords for some interesting contemporary comments. Bob
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#6 Posted : 19 November 2008 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Badger. A few advances between the 1802 and 1844 Acts. Cotton Mills and Factories Act 1819 - prohibited children aged under 9 from working in mills, and restricted working hours for others to 12 hour day. Mills and Factories Act 1833 provided for the appointment of inspectors in recognition that previous legislation had not been enforced. Sir Alexander Redgrave appointed as first Chief Inspector. Mines and Collieries Act 1842 prohibited underground employment of women and children aged under 10 and provided for the appointment of Inspectors. Regards, Peter
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#7 Posted : 19 November 2008 14:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Barrie, I have a similar booklet issued by the NER which predates your GWR one by a couple of years. It was issued via the Mutual Improvement Classes but clearly sponsored and promoted by the company. What I have always found fascinating is that the Railways in this country have always been highly regulated and these books clearly recognise the importance of what we would now call a safety culture even in such a regulated workplace. I thought this was your question, not whether H&S rules applied before this date? If we remember that, even as late as the early 20th century, the railways were at the forefront of technology and clearly a high risk environment then we might reflect that we shouldn't be surprised to find lots of ground breaking approaches to every aspect of their business. I reckon if I updated the language and typeset in my little booklet, it would pass muster in many companies today, over a hundred years later.
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#8 Posted : 19 November 2008 14:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Pete You're right on the button. The quarterly journal from Didcot promted me to write to find if anything was in place before hand. As you say with up to date language usage the extracts given would also pass muster. Wouldn't mind seeing a scanned page or two of your booklet as a matter of interest if you don't mind. Badger
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#9 Posted : 19 November 2008 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Barrie, when I get home and provided I can find it quickly amongst the several hundred other railway books etc, I will contact you. I know I should catalogue it all but time is always an enemy. I have studied the GWR in depth for many years, since I first saw a GWR engine draw up alongside one from my home railway, the South Western; this was in Salisbury station many years ago. Oh no, a safety bod and a railway buff, have I just outed myself completely? Now where did I leave my anorak. Must go put some coal on the fire and have a quick check round.
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#10 Posted : 19 November 2008 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter Pete, That makes two of us. Come and visit me at the GloucsWarks for a look see behind the scenes. Badger
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#11 Posted : 15 December 2008 18:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike esbester Hi, This is a great thread - I've just picked up on it, but I'd love to hear more from you all on what you make of the GWR's safety campaign. Do you think that this is something that workers would have gone for? And do you think that this sort of thing (using photos and 'accessible' messages) that workers today can understand and put into practice? I wrote my PhD thesis on the campaign, partly looking at the techniques the GWR used and partly at the messages that the material conveyed to workers and the government (and that the other companies replicated). A lot of the things that previous posts have discussed have been government/ state regulation - this is very different from safety education as practised by the Great Western and other companies, which was (nominally) voluntary and designed to try to persuade people to act in ways the management decided were 'correct' or 'safe'. You are quite right to say that this approach was innovative - in the UK. Safety education was copied from the USA, where it started in the steel industry in 1906 and on the railroads in 1910. I'd particularly like to hear more from Pete48 about his NER booklet - please contact me! I'm also interested in how safety education was used beyond the railway industry - I've found some nice examples of the same things being used in factories, mines and other workplaces, from the 1920s onwards, but I'm sure there must be lots of examples out there that I don't know about. Do please reply if you've got any ideas on this! Cheers, Mike
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#12 Posted : 15 December 2008 23:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough During a seminar some years ago I heard a safety manager from Du Pont explain that the American company's exemplary culture regarding occupational safety and health dated back to its beginnings in the early 19th century when the firm's explosives factory blew up killing employees and possibly neighbouring residents. Subsequently the owner decided that the replacement factory should be designed as well as possible to prevent any repetition of the tragedy. This was at a time when there was little or more likely no state intervention about safety at work. As well as being keen to protect employees in future, the owner perhaps realised that avoiding future tragedies - and all the related problems like loss of production and adverse publicity - would be good for business. However, that is just a fleeting summary of what I recall from the seminar. Please can anyone, perhaps from Du Pont, confirm the story and either expand on it or point to where we can read a good description of it?
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#13 Posted : 16 December 2008 03:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Mike and Barry, I haven't forgotten you--just been incredibly busy and doing my bit for presenteeism (see other thread) for a week or so. I have thousands of books on railway service/subjects all of which need cataloging. At the moment I am having trouble finding the NER booklet but I will find it and mail you a scan of the index etc. I think it is very important that we remember that it is essential to view such records in the context of their time and not too easily transpose their worth or otherwise into modern society. For example the styles of management were completely different than today; the expectations of the workforce similarly so. Railways were at the forefront of high risk and best practice, they were also facing increased pressure from the workforce to improve their conditions. (conditions that in the 21st century would seem both Draconian and totally unacceptable) Such approaches are usually associated with a paternalistic working environment. That is one where the whole ethos and organisation of work depends on a sense of loyalty from the workforce derived out of better conditions than most other contemporary employers and a sense of worthwhile and valued service. Note that I use the noun service and not work. This is balanced by a recognition that trained, competent, committed employees are essential to any high risk, highly regulated organisation. Anything that will lock them into staying with the company is good. So although work on the railways at this time may have been hard, dangerous, physical work for most, it generally paid well and was, above all, secure employment where you and your family were looked after by the company and or union. Front line supervisors and managers were almost exclusively practically skilled in the areas that they managed. Employees would expect to take responsibility for themselves and actually take pride in doing a job well. Something that they would be encouraged to do. This, of course, also meant safely in accordance with the regs (i.e integrated safety). This was a major factor in establishing and maintaining respect at the "coal face". I see these booklets as a record of what was at the time undoubtedly an enlightened approach but for a totally different world. The only similarity would be that companies were looking to maximise efficiency whilst minimising their risk exposures whilst the workforce was focused on improving working conditions. Remember when these booklets were published, the 8 hour working day was still some way in the future for most railway workers. I agree that the approaches used by large companies like DuPont, Shell, BP, Exxon, ICI etc are very similar. These lasted up until the 1980's. Then society, in the UK anyway, shifted dramatically and as all the underpinning loyalties etc were swept aside the effectiveness of this approach waned. Buncefield, Texas City and other high profile incidents may well be seen as indicators of this when others look back in a few years. Mike, I can confirm that you recall the DuPont history, as outlined in their courses in the 80 and 90's, correctly. If Merv see this thread I am sure he will give us chapter and verse. Us "oilies" had such things tattoed on our safety helmets:):):)
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#14 Posted : 16 December 2008 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman You only have to ask ! DuPont history. (from memory) In the late 18th century M. Du Pont worked for Lavoisier at a gunpowder works south of Paris. (no trace of it remains) When the DP family emigrated to Delaware in 1798, M DP established his own gunpowder works on the Brandy wine river, about 10 miles from the nearest town.(you can still visit as an industrial museum) State-of the-art : grinding/mixing mills facing the river, employee homes, shops, school, chapel at the back of the hill. No near neighbours. A few small explosions during the early years. Maybe one or two dead. Well within acceptable parameters for the industry. The big one came in 1812. At least twelve dead including a son of the DP family. M. DP started a "widows and Orphans" pension plan and cracked down hard on explosion prevention. Successfully, it seems. The Du Pont Powder Company eventually became the biggest explosives manufacturer (and supplier of munitions) in the US. Stopped making gunpowder in about 1970 and got out of explosives (including atom bomb manufacture) somewhere in the '80s. I have a copy of the Du Pont 1915 "Safety, Health and Efficiency" handbook. Just dug it out of the bottom drawer. Incidentally, The Battle of the Brandywine" was one of the few that the British won. I've been there and got the T-Shirt(or at least my Wife does) I know that a lot of people are somewhat doubtful about DuPont safety methods and stats. All i can say is that the methods work and the stats (at least mine) were/are correct. Over 10 years, with 500 people we had one LTI (slip on ice) If it had been one a year then that would still have been pretty good by a lot of people's standards. (and both I and the site manager would have been looking for other jobs) You did ask. Go to go. Log-heaving time for the winter central heating. Merv
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#15 Posted : 16 December 2008 16:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brando IOSH should gather together some of these historic documents and get them up on the web. Would love to see the handbook from DP that Merv has. Brando
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#16 Posted : 16 December 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Ancient Greece and Romans had fire brigades. Aquarius was the name given to a water carrier in ancient Greece and there is evidence of a fire fighter carrying a long pole with a point and bill at the end, similar to the "ceiling hook" carried on fire appliances today. The Pharaohs had ropes that were used for manual handling when building the pyramids. etc. etc. etc. How far back is that?
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#17 Posted : 16 December 2008 16:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Ahhh, but did they provide manual handling training?
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#18 Posted : 16 December 2008 17:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman Trainiing for Pyramid building Ray ? I think it was more on the incentive plan. Merv
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#19 Posted : 16 December 2008 17:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim They must have had training, otherwise how would they have known what to do? Begs a question how did the very first trainer know how to train? Or who trained the very first trainer, and was he/she qualified to train?
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#20 Posted : 17 December 2008 07:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Crim, depends on whether you are a rationalist or empericist. How do you learn about something that has never been done before? You try it:):) How do you learn to do the job? Through experience. Is that ever the right way or the best way? Rarely. Learning/training by sitting next to Topsy has been poo-pooed over recent decades but it maintained several empires throughout time, once they had been built by people who did what humans do best. Take risks, then adapt or adopt.
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#21 Posted : 17 December 2008 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike esbester There have been some really interesting aspects drawn out of this thread so far, some of which I’d like to say a bit more on, to see what you make of it all. As Crim and Pete48 have just mentioned, the issue of how someone learns – whether it be book skills or practical skills – is up for grabs: do you learn by reading or by experience (your own or watching someone else)? As far as I know, before the Safety Movement started, tasks were learnt through experience (including supervision, apprenticeship, etc). One of the key things about the Safety Movement is that it tried to codify working practices very explicitly – for example, in one of the booklets workers were shown exactly how to use a shovel. So which might be more effective? Depends what we’re looking for: getting the job done, or being safe? In one of Pete’s earlier posts he raised the issue of efficiency. I know that for the GWR and other railway companies (in the first half of the 20th century, definitely, and probably later) efficiency was a huge concern: they faced rising labour and raw materials costs, but were restricted by law as to how much they could charge for freight rates. Just take a look at the company magazines in the 1920s and 1930s – they nearly always seem to have a feature trying to improve efficiency. The Safety Movement was just one aspect in this; although the language of Taylorism and Scientific Management isn’t used explicitly, you can see that it was an underlying concern – the railway companies were certainly well aware of Taylorism before 1920. And here is a dilemma, which I’m sure you’re all familiar with: if you need to get the job done quickly (which I know isn’t the same as efficiency, but in the short-term is probably seen as being equivalent) it might be quicker to do it in a manner that is either unsafe or less safe than the ‘officially sanctioned’ way of working. So which do you choose? There is some evidence to suggest that railway workers before the Second World War felt the pressure to get the job done quickly and chose less safe methods of working. Whether this was because of the managerial pressure or because of a desire to maintain the company’s reputation for speed, service etc, is unknown – whatever the reason, the end result was often the same: in 1913 alone well over 30,000 railway employees were injured or killed. The systematic element of the ‘Safety Movement’ is also important: again, so far as I know, this was the first time (in the UK) that a systematic campaign to improve safety (worker or public) was tried. Before this we had ad hoc methods (on the railways, circulars issued after a number of casualties were a typical example, warning the staff (‘servants’) not to repeat the same things). And given this was part of an international use of safety education (known to include Australia, New Zealand, America, Canada, France, South Africa and Switzerland, and I suspect many more), we can see that there really was something of a social movement in the early twentieth century designed to improve safety. Pete’s comments about remembering the context of the time are quite apt. The ‘Safety Movement’ was a part of paternalism, so far as the railways were concerned, and a part of an industrial paternalism (or industrial welfare, if you prefer) that existed in the large companies of the time. This feeling is riddled throughout the campaign material. Thinking about what approaches might realistically have been adopted at the time, it is unsurprising that safety education was chosen. The railway companies and the state (and I suspect that same will have been true of other industries, then and now) had several potential avenues – more law (so, regulation and inspection, with prosecution of offenders); changing the system of work (so workers weren’t put in dangerous positions); technologies (fencing machinery, automatic cut-off for machines, automatic couplings for freight stock to prevent employees from going between wagons and getting crushed); or education. Taking each in turn, the state didn’t have the time, money or inclination to introduce (and uphold) greater regulation. Changing the system of work (for example, ensuring those maintaining the tracks didn’t have to work in amongst moving trains – a practice which continues today) would have been expensive, if it was possible at all (and it wouldn’t have been in all cases). Introducing new technologies would also have been expensive (automatic couplings were estimated – admittedly by the railway companies – at costing several million pounds in 1899), and would have taken time to develop. So we can see that education – which could be produced very quickly and was considerably cheaper – was extremely attractive. Does safety education work? …. Ahhh, the really thorny issue! I’m going to hold back from commenting on that one at the moment – I think we’ve all got enough to think about without it, but in the future I would like to come back to it and see what you think. mike
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#22 Posted : 17 December 2008 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Merv. Have you seen http://www.dupontsafetyr...%20Failures-%20Final.pdf ? Regards, Peter
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#23 Posted : 17 December 2008 17:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman peter, thank you for that reference. And I wouldn't dispute a word of it. And everyone already knows my opinion of the STOP programme. All I can say to that is that in my DP plants, (1976 to 1989 as safety manager) we really did follow the hierarchy of management controls. (hey, I was just learning the job and presented it to management as the new way to go. So they did) And we got pretty good results (honest !) Despite the STOP programme. As said, over a 10-year period we had one LTI and there were three "medical treatments" * LTI slip on ice. Good management controls in place. supervisory failure. * MT heel injury walking in front of pedestrian electric pallet truck. Unsafe act. * MT finger injury. supervisory failure allowing unsafe act (safety detectors short circuited) * MT cut finger. supervisory failure - employee mental stress over family problems not detected by supervisor. I left them to their own devices in 1992. Perhaps I should offer my services as a consultant ? Merv
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#24 Posted : 18 December 2008 18:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Graham Bullough Thanks to Merv N for expanding on my recollection of a seminar presentation about the founder of Du Pont. If the founder lost a close relative in the major explosion, that would almost certainly have influenced his subsequent attitude regarding safety. The theme of personal involvement by company leaders with safety combines with the safety efforts of railway companies in a classic old cartoon from "Punch" magazine in Victorian times. I can't readily find it on the internet, but recall that it showed two steam locomotives each with a besuited railway company director lashed to its front. The caption for it was along the lines (unintended pun!) of "How to prevent railway accidents!". In the context of its time when there were numerous train disasters, the cartoon must have been a particularly cutting and perceptive one with its unusual suggestion for preventing train-related deaths and injuries. If the cartoon is available on the internet, please can someone provide a link to it? Better to see it than just read about it. Perhaps I don't read enough magazines and newspapers, but I can't recall seeing modern cartoons which deal with aspects of occupationally related death, injury or disease. Can anyone point to any? If not, is there any scope these days for cartoons which can neatly encapsulate public and/or specialist opinions about these topics in the way that the Punch cartoon did in its time about railway disasters? Additionally or alternatively, how about suitably captioned photographs which could be used to the same effect? Remember the apt expression about a picture being able to convey a thousand words? To this should be added "and in a small fraction of the time it takes to read the words"!
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#25 Posted : 19 December 2008 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 Sorry, nothing to add except to say, what an interesting thread this is and well worth reading through. Except just had a thought - not all railway staff had a hard time. My grandfather was a porter at York station from 1915 until his retirement in the 60s (on a pension of 12/- a week. But he owned his own house outright - the reason was that he live off his tips from passengers and his wages paid off the mortgage. Those were the day, when third class had wooden seats.
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#26 Posted : 20 December 2008 19:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner 'SAFETY FIRST'......A MOST UNFORTUNATE SLOGAN which has historically served safety (and hence us safety professionals) very badly through the years. Safety FIRST slogan presents safety as something OUTSIDE of normal operational systems,....an added extra.... a bothersome add on.A pain in the A..! Woe to all of us when this was our founding mantra which we held on to for so long. I might just have suffered this slogan IF IF IF it read something like ....Safety first and safety last.?????
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#27 Posted : 21 December 2008 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman The phrase "safety first" suffers from a traditional misconception. It is not "put safety first" which can lead to confused priorities and "it's elfnsafety innit" but rather "THINK safety first" i.e. whatever you are planning to do, think first about the safety of your actions". (RA) This avoids safety becoming a "bolt-on" and an impediment just when everybody is raring to go. And yes, safety last. Leave the job safe. Merv
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#28 Posted : 21 December 2008 11:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By bill reilly Barrie I think you an possibly other buffs will find this article on safety first and railways with accompanying photographs an interesting read At least it will keep out of the last minute shopping http://www.h-net.org/~bu...online/2005/esbester.pdf
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#29 Posted : 21 December 2008 17:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Aidan Toner Yes MERV I suspect we are on the same team here. This slogan/catchphrase has been misunderstood by many people (ie the average working man/woman) for along time. ....hence you do have to ask what good has it served over the years.??? Has it been more hindrance than help? I think hindrance.
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#30 Posted : 23 December 2008 16:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By rhea Hi Badger Did you study at Cov college for your NEBOSH back in '97 (I think)? Sorry, nothing to do with the above. Rhea
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#31 Posted : 21 February 2009 08:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike esbester (Apologies to everyone who gets the alert that this has been posted) Pete48, I rediscovered this thread recently and thought I'd ask if you'd been able to locate that NER safety booklet you mentioned (not trying to hassle you, honest!). Cheers, Mike
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#32 Posted : 21 February 2009 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Mike, you have mail Pete
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