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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
We are a mature manufacturing site that often uses contractors for shutdown maintenance, installation of equipment etc. We never consider if the work falls within the letter of CDM unless the notifiable criteria kick in. Then we dutifully send of our F10.
We never to my recollection hear anything back so I wonder what the point of the F10 is in these circumstances?
On the broader question, were the CDM regulations meant to apply to sites like this with established arrangements for employee and contractor H,S&W?
Ken
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
The point is to let the HSE know notifiable construction work is going to happen.
CDM applies at all times to construction work - factory procedures do not overrule the requirements
Bob
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick
Bob, your curt reply seems to have stifled debate or perhaps nobody is interested. I will have one more try. Why does CDM in these circumstances takes precedence over the other regulations and what use does the HSE make of the F10?
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ken,
I don't think that CDM 'takes precedence' as you would have to comply with all the relevant H&S for each job.
However would it apply??
as this is exempt
"general maintenance of fixed plant, except then this is done as part of other construction work, or it involves substantial dismantling or alteration of fixed plant which is large enough to be a structure in its own right"
Does the 'maintenance' you undertake fall into the above category them CDM does not apply
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Posted By Bryan Goldsmith 16052
The F10 serves to notify the HSE of a 'Notifiable' project so that they (the HSE) can should they wish visit the site. It is also there as means of ensuring that the details of the Client, Designers, Principal Contractor and CDM Co - Ordinator are readily available to anyone who may require them.
Regards
Bryan
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Posted By Rob Gardner
Hi Kenneth I am in agreement with the question whether you should even be notifying this work as discussed in a previous posting, although if you are notifying you will have appointed a competent CDM Co-ordinator and he/she will have told you that you are notifying this project because the CDM Regulations apply.(Presumably!!)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Kenneth, Dave has the crux of the matter stated above - does this work actually fall within the definition of "construction work"? Perhaps not, and CDM doesn't apply at all!
Purpose of F10? A convenience for the HSE, enabling them to select Projects for inspection/intervention/"blitz" from the comfort of their own offices.Most F10s will most likely be filed and ultimately destroyed without so much as a glance by Enforcement staff.
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Posted By paulw71
Here in addition to the previous responses are the additional uses HSE makes of the f10
If a complaint is received about a site by phone or letter then the dutyholders can easily be found and contacted without the need for a visit.
If certain types of work (say refurbs or roof work) are part of a hse purge then they can easily find out all types of works that are taking place in a particular area and mark them for visits.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Paulw71 - I'm sure I'd just said that!
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Posted By GeoffB4
Paul added a bit more to it Ron.
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