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Admin		#1 Posted : 12 January 2009 13:02:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By steve g Hi can anyone point me in the right direction that i can look at the process of this guidance without having to pay £99 for the priviladge surely its free somewhere steve g
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Admin		#2 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:22:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By SBH I suggest you use the free guidance found via this link http://www.communities.g...resafetylaw/aboutguides/ SBH
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Admin		#3 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:30:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By steve g Ive taken a look but could not find the pas system that uses nine steps of risk assessment our old risk assessment was based on the 5 steps however i want to use the pas79 model thanks steveg
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Admin		#4 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:43:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By tstc PAS79 is not available free of charge. It has a copyright assigned to it and is only available to those who acquire the right to use it through purchasing it
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Admin		#5 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:45:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By steve g Could anyone advise if it is worth the £99 price tag steve g
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Admin		#6 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By tstc We use PAS79 as a format for all our Fire Risk Assessments. The issue should not be is it worth it but if you as an individual have the necessary knowledge, expertise and experience to use it. I don't mean to be patronising but there's more to filling in a form to compiling a 'suitable and sufficient'risk assessment.
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Admin		#7 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:56:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By steve g Thanks tstc YES I believe I have the relevant qualifications to complete this I was just looking for further guidance of the format as you say some risk assessments border on paper exercise and I need to update our old assessment steve g
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Admin		#8 Posted : 12 January 2009 14:57:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By SBH There is nothing wrong with using the 5 steps, and it adequately deals with the fire assessment process . I use the 5 step process and the fire officers are quite happy with all the assessments I have completed. If you do a thorough assessment the format is, in my view irrelevant, be it 5 or 9 or even 25, the number of steps does not make a fire assessment better if it has more THAN 5.If you purchase PAS 79 you will, in my opinion, be spending cash you dont need to
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Admin		#9 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:20:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By tstc SBH is absolutely right. PAS79 just sets things out in a standard format that is easy to follow. It's the fire safety principles that matter and how you show you have dealt with the findings of that assessment
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Admin		#10 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:40:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By water67. Hi don't have the exact site address but if you look at the site for the office of the depute prime minister you should find this publication. Cheers
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Admin		#11 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By GeoffB4 steveg I have a copy of this with CD. Bought it because I thought it might be useful but turned out to be not to our requirements. In immaculate condition and if you are prepared to meet costs (say £10) its yours. Geoff
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Admin		#12 Posted : 12 January 2009 15:51:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By GeoffB4 2005 edition
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Admin		#13 Posted : 12 January 2009 21:10:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Barry Cooper I have the latest edition, and have found it to be an excellent template for the fire risk assessment. I have used it many times and on three occasions the Fire and Rescue Service quoted that they liked the format. As an earlier post said though, you still need the knowledge and experience to do the RA properly Barry
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Admin		#14 Posted : 14 January 2009 15:28:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Phillipe PAS 79.... Does it have a template/format to it by chance? Phil
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Admin		#15 Posted : 14 January 2009 15:46:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Chris Smith RSP Yes, it has the methodology and a template for both the original assessment and subsequent reviews. Chris
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Admin		#16 Posted : 14 January 2009 15:50:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Phillipe Thanks Chris Phil
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Admin		#17 Posted : 14 January 2009 16:35:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Graeme Paterson I assume the PAS 79:2007 Does not take into account BS 9999:2008 ?
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Admin		#18 Posted : 14 January 2009 17:35:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By GeoffB4 Gone. Nice to know someone (not steve g) had a use for it rather than in the bin.
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Admin		#19 Posted : 14 January 2009 19:52:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Crim Is this legal? I mean is this the new regulation regarding fire risk assessment? If so shouldn't it be available free of charge or a lot cheaper than that? It seems to me that the BSI (or whoever this is) are using their organisation to rip off those of us who are presently following the guidance document issued by the Department of Communities and only cost £12.00! Who said that this 9 steps to risk assessment is the right way to go? Am I missing something or what?
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Admin		#20 Posted : 14 January 2009 20:53:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By tstc You're missing nothing Crim. PAS79 is one way of completing a Fire Risk Assessment. It is not the only way, it is not THE way that it has to be done. By using it, it makes it easier for an enforcement officer to understand how you established your significant findings and developed your action plan. If you can show this using another method you can use that.
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Admin		#21 Posted : 15 January 2009 09:53:00(UTC)
Rank: Guest		Posted By Crim tstc, thanks, I use a simple information gathering sheet based on the 5 steps and the guide to fire risk assessment produced by the Dept of Communities. Following the info gathering exercise I provide a required actions sheet/s and this has been approved by fire officers in the past. I see no reason to reinvent! I do agree with others that there is a need for competence based on knowledge and experience, which I have in abundance, and this helps to make fire risk assessments relatively easy for me.
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