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#1 Posted : 19 January 2009 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Carr As landlords, we are responsible for hundreds of properties across a very large and diverse area. Most of the properties are at least 30 years old. Most have had some works done on them with respect to improvements, and a fair number have had full refurbishments. We need to establish our Asbestos Management Plan to cover all our properties. My Facility Manager has asked me if we can do this by taking a representative sample across our estate, e.g. say 30% of our holding and extrapolate across the estate to give us our "percentage of achieving compliance". My initial gut instinct is of course that we cannot, the risk of missing ACM's is too high. My initial suggestion to him is that we instruct Type 1 Surveys on all our properties, and where suspicion is raised, we then instruct Type 2's. I said to him, I'd need to take further guidance though, so here goes!!
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#2 Posted : 19 January 2009 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter And your only about 6 years late in thinking about it! Other Housing Associations and LAs have worked on representative (5-10%) Type 2 for Housing stock (by age/style/design) but the common or non-domestic areas (stairways, laundry & drying rooms, lock-ups etc.) should (IMHO) be 100% Type 2. A confirmation of your Type 2 assumptions (and perhaps some more intrusive sampling and analysis) should be programmed in good time into your major refurb and improvement programs. Seems like you've missed the boat with some of this.
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#3 Posted : 19 January 2009 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Andrew Carr Thanks for the advice Ron. I'm only with this "organisation" for just over a year. Management Plans are already in place, and surveys are being done. It's the rate of being done and the "amount" that's a little concerning me. Added factor is we're not in the UK, but trying our best to comply with UK requirements.
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#4 Posted : 19 January 2009 17:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By NickW In terms of extrapolating from sample data, I think you are on very dodgy ground unless you have 'strong evidence' as in accordance with CAR 2006 that the survey sampling is truly representative of the sites that you do not survey.
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#5 Posted : 19 January 2009 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel you should comply with local laws in the first instance - leave UK compliance alone if you are not in the UK however the UK systems, standards etc can be used anywhere as your guides
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#6 Posted : 20 January 2009 08:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By steven bentham Andrew Some thoughts. If you do undertake representative samples for your management plan - you must assume worst case; not assume from a few samples the rest are free of asbestos. There are proposals to move away from the Type 1, Type 2 and Type 3 surveys - and in my view for good reasons. The majority I see are full of words and get out statements - none of which is required by MDHS 100. As I understand the situation, you will have in future 'Management' surveys and 'Refurbishment & Demolition' surveys. If this is newish for you I would suggest a visit to a good training providor and speak to the HSE. Good luck
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