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#1 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy what happened to global warming?
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#2 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Hagyard Tony maybe global warming should be the HSE's next myth of the month as there's no such thing! Yes we are experiencing climate change - something that has been happening since the planet came into existence and no doubt mans activities are contributing to it. Maybe some news paper could blame it on H&S and combine their two pet subjects. Brian
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#3 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp It has temporarily moved to the southern hemisphere.
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#4 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim Global warming? I think that's what is falling out of the sky, it's white, cold and causes all sorts if disruption. Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't we had some very hot summers recently, and some heavy rainfall, large flooded areas as well. It appears to me that, in future, we will continue to get lots of whatever the weather decides to throw at us? Just how does it all get up there in the first place?
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#5 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T It is quite apparent that we’ll come across these extremities very often due to global warming or global dimming. And yet, some people defending the burdens of planning costs for such adverse condition. No offence meant ST
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#6 Posted : 06 February 2009 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By ScotsAM Maybe it's another victim of the credit crunch? Just too costly to keep on. Either that the job has been given to El Nino.
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#7 Posted : 06 February 2009 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM That's one of the reasons the term has changed to 'Climate Change' instead of 'Global Warming'. Most areas are likely to see a rise in 'extreme' weather, both heat and cold, rainfall and drought over the next few years (and beyond!). Although annual temperature will rise, there will be a whole range of more intense waether patterns within that, such as localised heavy downpours leading to flooding, 'freak' snowfalls, prolonged drought conditions in SE, more days of very high winds, etc. This is one of the reasons it is so difficult to predict the effects of Climate Change at a local level. But equally it does make my life as an environmentalist more challenging and more interesting...
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#8 Posted : 06 February 2009 11:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi James (Haggis) is spot on. Due to climate change, the prediction is that there will be more frequent severe weather events, whether is excessive rainfall/snow, high/low temperatures and so on.
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#9 Posted : 06 February 2009 12:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adams777 Global warming / climate change has been an issue for decades but at first not in the public eye. Then the whole issue was highjacked by such organisations as Green Peace (GP). GP and others started to convince naive politicians (Al Gore, who had nothing better to do after losing the US election)and the whole subject escalated to what you see and hear today including global warming being renamed Climate change. The science is flawed (e..g the notorious hockey stick graph) but is still churned out as fact by some of the world's leading scientists whilst those against the issue find it extremely hard to get published - so in the main you only read and hear debates concerning climate change and what a nasty human race we are for putting the planet in jeapardy (CO2 emissions). Read a laymans book on Chaos Theory where the world's climate is dicussed as an exemplary example of not being able to predict anything because of changing variables. Until there is concensus on the science, GP and others / gullible politicians and treasuries of some countries (ours) who use the issue as a tax raising scam the subject will be batted back and forth forever. H&S safety implications - how many of your workforce have started to insist the employer provide sun cream as PPE. How many risk assessments state (e.g. school children going out from school on visits)must take hats, bottled water and sun cream. All common sense but should the employer pay for it as PPE? I think not. Enjoy your weekends and don't forget to wear the sunglasses. Don't want to get sun blindness do we?
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#10 Posted : 06 February 2009 12:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adams777 My last line should read snow blindness but I guess you all knew that.
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#11 Posted : 06 February 2009 13:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T Adam, 'Last Line' ???? That means, we'll have to read your whole essay . OH NOOOOOOO.. Jut kidding....afterall it's friday today. No offence meant ST
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#12 Posted : 06 February 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Global warming is a real issue. The minor changes in the weather we are experiencing now are normal fluctuations in the weather cycle and nothing to do with Global warming. Over the last 60 years we have had peaks in cold weather, such as 1947, 1963, in the eighties and ninties and of course now. These are normal weather cycles. Global warming is minute changes to the background temperatures around the world that have lasting effects upon nature. Most people think GW is short term, its not. I think that most of the damage was done in the late 1800s and early 1900s with lasting effects we now recognise (well some of us anyway) as real and dangerous to species all over the world. Just because there are many around the world who cannot see that far ahead they say that GW does not exist, many did not know about microbes because they were so small and said that the discoverers were wrong but time has proved them right, the same may well apply to GW.
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#13 Posted : 06 February 2009 13:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves Bob Agree with you, GW is happening. The problem is that it has been hijacked by politicians for tax raising purposes! Colin
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#14 Posted : 06 February 2009 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F I agree climate change should be the myth of the month. If it was changing so much how come every time we have flooding, it's to hot or snowing they will tell us it's the worst we had for a 100 years or since records began. It has always happened and always will 'climate change' has happened since the earth began and will continue to cahnge.
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#15 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T “The minor changes in the weather we are experiencing now are normal fluctuations in the weather cycle and nothing to do with Global warming.” “most of the damage was done in the late 1800s and early 1900s” “climate change should be the myth of the month.” “GW is happening. The problem is that it has been hijacked by politicians for tax raising purposes” I think governments need to do a lot more to educate people as well as tackling the GW issues. No offence meant ST
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#16 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer No you are wrong global warming has not happened ever since the world began,. Normal temerature variations have happened often over quite long periods. There was once a lot of water in the Sahara desert area, byt it has dried out over time. Please don't get the natural temerature variation of the globe confused with what is happening because we are badly affecting the ecostructure of the world by pushing dangerous levels of harmful gas into the atmosphere at a rate the earth cannot cope so it builds up to a point where there is a risk the eco structure can collapse.
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#17 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves Bob "because we are badly affecting the ecostructure of the world by pushing dangerous levels of harmful gas into the atmosphere at a rate the earth cannot cope so it builds up to a point where there is a risk the eco structure can collapse." As has happened naturally many times, ice ages caused by gas and particulates from volcanoes etc. At most, humankind may be slightly speeding up a natural process. Live with it! Colin
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#18 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Southerner who cares I'm sure I will cope for the 60 od years I will hopefully be alive.........its such a long process that future generations will evolve to cope. The earth used to be almost entirely covered in water. The Salts flats of the US used to be under water. The earth used to be almost entirely covered in Ice. The earth used to be one big continent. Things changes, that's life.....you cant fix something like the earth in a permanent state.
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#19 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH We are still coming out of the last ice age some 13,000 years ago so naturally the earth is warming up the greatest danger of pollution is the releases of PCBs plasticisers and other man made toxins that are even building up in the polar regions from over use of plastics such as plastic bags PVC windows instead of aluminium, wood,glass, steel, paper or other totally recyclable materials
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#20 Posted : 06 February 2009 14:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Just a thought. Has anyone calculated the amount of 'greenhouse gas' that a volcanic erruption spews into the environment, then multiplied this by the number of active volcanos? At present we know so little about our environment that even one of the 'experts' is now voicing doubts. In a recent letter to a national newspaper Dr. Mike Edwards, CAFOD, stated that the longer he worked on climate change the less important he thought it whether or not the warmists or the sceptics were right. He went on to say that he did not view this as a licence to continue to pollute, but for other reasons. Certainly the world is warming. When I was a student in Austria in the late 1950s there was concern about glaciers having been receding for about 100 years. So, as one posting has already commented, this is not a new phenomenon. I think we need to keep an open mind about how significant is our contribution, but to continue our efforts to minimise our impact and to reduce our dependence upon limited natural and non-renewable resources. Chris
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#21 Posted : 06 February 2009 15:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By paulw71 Is this the end of society as we know it ? is mankind capable of surviving yet another global catastrophie ? Will the ingenuity of one scientist with a powerful computer and a weather balloon be enough to snatch us back from the brink of oblivion? Stop panicking everyone. An A list hollwood actor will save us.
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#22 Posted : 06 February 2009 15:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adams777 Chris - best response (with no offence to others) I have read. An open mind receives the words and evaluates. A closed mind receives and believes (read gullible). No one has commented on the H&S issues which may come our way are indeed are coming our way. Have any of our breatheren with E after H&S have a view. Adam
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#23 Posted : 06 February 2009 15:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Adam Thanks for the kind words. In my humble opinion environmental issues are one area where there is a great deal of nonsense talked, usually by those who either have vested interests or who are unable to see the wider picture. Just two examples: 1. Wind farms only generate energy when the wind blows. Presumably we all want energy all the time. This means alternative power sources, e.g. fossil fuel or nuclear power stations, on line and able to respond instantly, which means as far as I am aware that they must be running on standby all the time. 2. Electric cars are green. Really? Where does their electricity come from? I saw a calculation once that showed that with the contribution to global warming from power stations, losses in electricity distribution, battery inefficiency, etc. my diesel estate probably had a lower footprint that an electric car. Of course, I am not a scientist, but I do feel that keeping an open mind and trying to see the whole picture before reaching a conclusion is so important. Chris
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#24 Posted : 06 February 2009 15:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Charles Robinson Tech IOSH This may be diversing from the subject I was many years ago a suporter of nuclear power though after reading The Woman Who Knew Too Much by Alice Stewart and the Secrets of Radiation I have come to the conclusion that anyting that raises the background level of radiation is harmfull The life story of the epidemiologist who discovered the harmful effects of fetal X rays and other radiation exposure worth reading
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#25 Posted : 06 February 2009 15:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T "my diesel estate probably had a lower footprint that an electric car." Very interesting comment, Chris ???
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#26 Posted : 06 February 2009 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By S T Especially after the following comments; “environmental issues are one area where there is a great deal of nonsense talked, usually by those who either have vested interests or who are unable to see the wider picture.2
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#27 Posted : 16 February 2009 00:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Scottie CMIOSH The hockey stick graph is not [expletive deleted]. Stop sticking your head in the sand.
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#28 Posted : 16 February 2009 09:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM ...as one who is an 'E' with 'H&S' following on... Forget trying to add on additional sources of alternative energy, what we NEED to do is reduce our overall energy consumption. With regard to the cars, I once worked out the if you changed your car for a new one iwth approx 10% better economy you would have to drive about 140,000 miles before you had paid back the energy debt of building the car in the first place. Far better to keep an older car going for longer but of course this is not the message politicians want to give out as they want to keep manufacturing going and therefore jobs. (yes, my previous cars were with me until 168,000 and 203,000 miles! My old SAAB 900 without a catalyst beat the emission requirements for catalyst equipped cars easily.) I fully expect that nothing will happen until things get much worse and then we will have a mandatory carbon ration, probably along the lines of every year you will be allocated 10% less carbon than you had the year before and it is up to you how you use it.
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#29 Posted : 16 February 2009 11:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker Its back! Seven degrees Celsius at present. Intend taking a siesta between one and two pm. Company sunscreen available for use.
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#30 Posted : 17 February 2009 08:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy My goodness it is back. I am roasting here
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#31 Posted : 17 February 2009 15:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By Renny Thomson We'll be getting the phone calls about thermal stress soon!
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#32 Posted : 18 February 2009 10:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Haggis JM "thermal Stress" - that's my normal operating condition! I am someone who can tolerate cold far more than heat, I haven't had my office heater on at any time ofer the past two winters and have had the window open for most of the last week. Why do we have a legal minimum office temperature but not a maximum?
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#33 Posted : 18 February 2009 11:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves "Why do we have a legal minimum office temperature but not a maximum?" Now that IS a question. I often wondered why not when I was trying to explain to accounts staff in the "greenhouse" at the end of the building. However, not a problem in my present job. Colin (Shetland!!)
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