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#1 Posted : 25 February 2009 21:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mogcat
How do you satisfy/prove to a cdm coordinator that the design process you have gone through comply with the cdm regs eg. that the company has addressed the need to eliminate hazards and control risk. Has anyone else had problems with this, if so how have you overcome them.
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#2 Posted : 25 February 2009 23:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
The CDM-C should have been on-board the Project at an early stage,working alongside Designers and taking an active role in hazard identification, risk control and ensuring info. about sgnificant residual risk is effectively communicated to those who need to know.
In that respect, he should be in a position to satisfy himself that all is in order.
I guess you might have a late appointment issue?
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#3 Posted : 26 February 2009 10:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Mogcat

If you have, as you really need to, a formal procedure for undertaking design work the process of assessing and eliminating risks should be a part of this procedure.If so you should have notes/checklists/minutes to demonstate the ongoing process of assessment. I generally prefer the risk register and tracking of decision approach but it really depends on the needs of your own organisation

Bob
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#4 Posted : 26 February 2009 10:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Mogcat,

We have formal procedures specifically for this within our QA system.
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#5 Posted : 26 February 2009 13:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
If anybody asked that question of our organisation I would simply point to the competency of our designers, and their trade memberships etc. There is far too much read into checklists and forms with tick boxes. Only idiots need tick boxes.
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#6 Posted : 26 February 2009 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lwood
Strangely enough I am at this moment in dispute with a design company, They have produced a design that has the gas extract in the ceiling for a gas that's heavier than air.

I have asked for the calculations that show this will extract the gas.
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#7 Posted : 26 February 2009 17:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jez Corfield
A design risk assessment process, backed up by a 'peer' review process, for the job you can also produce a specific list of concerns based on lessons learned. Doing this at the moment for our (internal) designer who missed some obvious aspects of design on a recent job.

I dont think you can rely on designers professionalism to do this unless they employ H&S people to vet designs.

Jez
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#8 Posted : 26 February 2009 21:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Tony

The competency of the persons involved does not prove that the design process has been followed per se. One needs evidence that it is actually used, hence we ask similar questions of designers that we work with. It is not a question of checklists and tick boxes but about contemperaneous evidence of a process in use.

Bob
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#9 Posted : 27 February 2009 10:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
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couldnt agree more but there are so many other issues around appointment of competent people (references, cv make up, quals etc) that it needs to be assumed that the competent designer has undergone an approval or selection process. That being the case it is not a safety issue but a HR one. Designers, by nature, like to follow as many set in stone procedures as they can get away with. The problem for our designers is more about value engineering, sustainability, cost, cost and more cost and in no particular order.The original question is focused on CDM competence which is so subjective it would take a scientist to set the criteria. As I have stated before the most succesful businessman I ever worked with in the Construction Industry couldnt read and write, but God he was good
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