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#1 Posted : 05 March 2009 16:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H What time length are yours reviewed in? Talking about assessments in communal areas (HMO's) and office accommodation. Or do you decide on a period according to type of property and risk present?
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#2 Posted : 05 March 2009 21:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH Brenda Like any other risk assessment, the Fire RA should, as part of the premises controllers fire risk protocol, include a requirement for the assessor to identify a routine review period [incredibly variable - depends on so much] and also identify other events that should trigger an automatic review without waiting for the periodic review. Frank Hallett
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#3 Posted : 05 March 2009 21:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Frank is quite right, the time between undertaking a review and updating the assessment depends on many things such as changes in the use of the premises, the results of exercises, etc. Simply to do an assessment and then sit on it pretending it is still valid is taking a serious chance, remember fires kill and you don't get a second chance. Undertake a review at least every year and more often when the circumstances change.
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#4 Posted : 05 March 2009 22:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sheila EJ Keogh Brenda, we risk assess in similar environments. Our local brigade accepts a fire risk assessmentso of our communal areas (social housing) to be scheduled for every two years, with a fire risk inspection (briefer) every year. Obviously, as pointed out in other posts above, other factors will dictate whether or not these will need to be done more frequently (perhaps less frequently but not likely in my opinion in HMO situations). Hope this helps. Sheila
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#5 Posted : 06 March 2009 08:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Hi, Thanks for your replies, all along my lines of thinking (thankfully!)
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#6 Posted : 06 March 2009 11:13:00(UTC)
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Posted By jervis Union reps tend to do risk assessments in my workplace and more so if anything has happened to check or change it.
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#7 Posted : 12 March 2009 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Messy Shaw Article 9 of the RR(FS)O 2005 is very clear on when to review a FRA. The FRA should be subject to continual review and not as some dodgy consultants (or incompetent fire authorities) would tell you, after a specific period. Article 9 (3) states:......... (3) Any such assessment must be reviewed by the responsible person regularly so as to keep it up to date and particularly if— (a) there is reason to suspect that it is no longer valid; or (b) there has been a significant change in the matters to which it relates including when the premises, special, technical and organisational measures, or organisation of the work undergo significant changes, extensions, or conversions, and where changes to an assessment are required as a result of any such review, the responsible person must make them.
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#8 Posted : 12 March 2009 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Eliza Flutterby Hi Brenda, Different premises to you, but I treat my FRA as a "live" document, so it's under continual review in most aspects. Certain other issues are weekly, some monthly, some bi-monthly and on occasion daily (exasperating, but necessary!. Major Dramas, like an evacuation (false alarm or real), failure of protective devices etc also trigger an automatic review. And I keep copies of all emails, memos etc at the back of the FRA just to keep my backside covered in the event of a Total Drama :-) I try to have my FRA as current as possible, and like to imagine how the Fire Officer would react upon reading it (hissy fit or another hob nob?). Cheers! Eliza :-)
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#9 Posted : 28 April 2009 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By RiskBase I'm in agreement with Sheila's style of arrangement. The more staff are empowered with undertaking these checks and audits themselves, the more they understand about fire safety. We produce assessments for clients, and try to keep the review a couple of years away when possible. With a simple block of flats for instance we might suggest every 5 years and give them an annual 'audit' checklist to complete. It’d encompass a range of checks from housekeeping to H&S. As long as the right processes are in place to deal with external factors, and checks are in place to make sure the audits are being completed properly, we find it works well for us. Too many Fire Risk Assessors want their renewal fee and the standard seems to be every year.
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#10 Posted : 28 April 2009 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin Brown Jervis, do your union reps actual carry out risk assessments on behalf of the employer? The reason I ask this as that I carry out out H & S inspections on behalf of my union which under no circumstances make me or the union accouintable under the law. As FM for several buildings I also carry out risk assessments (including fire) to comply with the employer's legal obligations. The assessments are live documents and review periods vary depending on the issues identified. However, the point I'm trying to make is that assessing risk is the responsibility of the employer, as a union rep I'm not responsible for his/her failings. As part of the management structure I frequently am.
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#11 Posted : 28 April 2009 14:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Rose Agree with much of what has been said - all RA's are 'live' documents and subject to review at any time, although I do tend to set a 'periodic' review based on the level of risk at the time of the original assessment. Am wary of many consultants doing fire RA, we had one that was saying that he would charge a flat rate of £100 for any fire RA! Am I missing something here? Yes, also found the post by Jervis slightly 'alarming' - surely a union rep isn't doing the risk assessment for the employer?
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