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#1 Posted : 08 March 2009 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By fakher My employer is considering a safer alternative to white spirit , I wonder if anybody could recommend safer alternative
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#2 Posted : 08 March 2009 13:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H Depends on what you are using it for, how much you use and in what manner? Dave
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#3 Posted : 08 March 2009 14:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By fakher Thanks They are using it as a solvent and for cleaning tools and equipment cleaner and paint additive the alternative that they are looking for is being safe from all aspects of course but with much concern to the health wise
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#4 Posted : 08 March 2009 15:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H According to the MSDS - White spirit is pretty nasty stuff. Can cause dermatitis, deafness and is a known carcinogen to animals among other affects. Sorry - I don't know of an alternative as the stuff is so cheap and effective in what it does, but can you not enclose the process - fume cabinet - LEV? Ensure that exposure is reduced as far as possible. Sorry cant help further Dave
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#5 Posted : 08 March 2009 18:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By phalda Been working with white spirit for 30 years.. Never came across an alternative to it.. cost wise nor coshh wise.. All you can do is ensure safe system in place for usage.. good ventilation, barrier creams etc.. maybe give tool box talk regarding its potential hazards.. ( we all forget..get complacent).. Also buy a spirit vat which enables you to re-use the stuff after settling.. P.
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#6 Posted : 09 March 2009 07:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter F If you can't find an alternative to the white spirit. Is it possible to change the process for what your using it, i.e. if your using it as a paint additive can you not use a water based paint instead.
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#7 Posted : 09 March 2009 08:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham With regard to previous postings on this thread: White spirit is a solvent and, as such, will defat the skin, with the resultant irritant contact dermatitis. White spirit is also a skin penetrant, and can act as a vehicle, taking other chemicals, that may be even more hazardous, into and through the skin resulting in possible allergic and systemic reactions. So skin contact is something to be avoided. I have had clients replace their solvent based cleaning system with detergent based equipment washing plant. The capital cost of the plant was recovered in the fact that workers were no longer spending time on equipment cleaning, there was no used solvent to dispose of, etc. It all depends on what you are trying to clean, what you are trying to remove and where the cleaning is being done. Finally, barrier creams will not provide protection against white spirit, as numerous studies show, and may even increase skin uptake. The preferred glove for white spirit is nitrile, but of a reasonable thickness, i.e. cat III. Chris
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#8 Posted : 09 March 2009 09:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor I've seen stuff labelled "white spirit substitute" that came from a builders's merchant or DIY shop. Can't comment on its benefits if any though.
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#9 Posted : 09 March 2009 10:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor Ignore me being silly ... I'm sure I was thinking of turpentine there.
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#10 Posted : 09 March 2009 10:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 According to the MSDS - White spirit is pretty nasty stuff. Can cause dermatitis, deafness and is a known carcinogen to animals among other affects. Deafness? I'm intrigued, what mechanism/path/route causes deafness?
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#11 Posted : 09 March 2009 10:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Parks CoshhAssessor You may be thinking of 'Turps Substitute'.I used to work in a paint factory that sold the stuff. 'Turps Substitute' & 'White Spirit' are basically same thing. so the risks involved in either are the same. We had to wear gloves and eyeprtection when using it. Mike
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#12 Posted : 09 March 2009 12:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By D H Hi Geoff - the msds I use states that near saturation has been known to cause deafness in rats - so it would be absorption, inhalation and possible ingestion. I will e mail you the msds when I get back to the office Dave
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#13 Posted : 09 March 2009 12:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Just remember when doing the risk assessment for white spirit that it isn't white spirit that you will be assessing, but white spirit plus all the other substances that are in it as a result of its use. Some of these may be irritant, sensitising or toxic, but in their normal state unlikely to represent much of a health hazard. However, mixed into the white spirit the mixture may represent a significant hazard. Chris
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#14 Posted : 09 March 2009 12:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 It's OK DH, I'm not intending getting involved working with rats using or swimming in white spirit ;-)
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#15 Posted : 09 March 2009 13:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter Taylor14 how does white spirit cause deafness??
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#16 Posted : 09 March 2009 13:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen d clarke Hi, I think there are several grades of white spirit and all are simply classed as irritant not really a problem but of course it depends on the way used, quantity used, frequency of use etc etc. I would guess that its the low level aromatic content in some grades that can have the above reported chronic health effects although I have no knowledge of this myself and any effects that white spirit might have on hearing would probably be due to its long term chronic effects on the neurological system, possibly the aural nerves are more sensitive or it targets this region. Steve
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#17 Posted : 09 March 2009 14:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By MickN Peter, I suspect you'd have to drink large quantities to incur deafness, much like drinking methanol can cause blindness (being "blind drunk" doesn't count). For everything else I suggest sticking to the information on the MSDS, as supplied with your delivery of white spirit, as it's the only correct reference. Mick
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#18 Posted : 09 March 2009 14:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By GeoffB4 I should think if you drink large quantities, deafness would be the least of your problems!
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#19 Posted : 14 March 2009 17:55:00(UTC)
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