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#1 Posted : 11 March 2009 05:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By MJD86 how often should fire extinguisher's be inspected ? when inspecting what should you be looking for? do they need to be inspected externally?
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#2 Posted : 11 March 2009 08:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By stephen d clarke Hi, I believe there is a BS that outlines best practice for extinguisher inspection and maintenance. Best practice as I understand it is that extinguishers should be inspected frequently (e.g. weekly/monthly), typically this would be the proactive work for the local fire warden. Inspection should check whether extinguishers had been operated, any obvious damage, whether in designated place, unobstructed and visible, operating instructions are clean/legible/face outwards, any pressure gauge readings within safe limits, seals not broken, within date stamp for maintenance. Maintenance should be carried out by a competent person annually for the basic service, every 5 or 10 years depending upon type of extinguisher for extended service and recharging. Maintenance would normally be contracted out to an external company experts in this area. Steve
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#3 Posted : 11 March 2009 09:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp Many companies use an external source for checking fire extinguishers and normally on an annual basis. The checks are that the extinguishers have not been discharged, there is no obvious sign of damage. They are then signed and dated with a new colour coded tag applied.
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#4 Posted : 11 March 2009 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor The annual inspection normally involves a great deal more than that - hence why it is contracted out to a service company. I agree with Steve that there would normally also be a weekly or monthly check that covers the basics and can be done by anyone. This can be part of a general fire safety inspection that includes checking exits etc.
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#5 Posted : 11 March 2009 10:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH Hi MJD There are no legal restrictions on doing any part of the necessary routine FE inspections in-house. The only restrictions that you should consider are related to the competence of those doing the inspections. Don't be bluffed by those who provide such services & "big it up" to get the business! The only costly [in terms of competence] inspection that I would suggest that you really should contract out is the routine internal examination required because FEs are pressure vessels. Any competent provider could train your personnel to do the rest in-house - especially the stuff related to what extinguishers & where they should go [see a previous thread for observations on this topic 'cos that's your FRA responsibility anyway]. Shall now retreat to the Castle Keep & await response! Frank Hallett
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#6 Posted : 11 March 2009 10:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By IFSGD Hi, not quite extinguishers I know, but related; we have a number of fire hoses maintained by our landlord in our warehouse. Currently some of them are in disrepair (i.e. no nozzles or old hoses) should we be pushing for them to be repaired/refurbished? or removed (as I had heard that current thinking was steering people away from use of hoses)?. We do have a number of our own extinguishers, which are subject to regular checks and mainteneance by external expert, so there is an alternate means to the hoses. Any help much appreciated.
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#7 Posted : 11 March 2009 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By FAH OK, I've stuck my head out again! IFSGD You identify that the hoses are maintained by the landlord. Are they fire-hoses or rubber type hose-reels? And, "Yes", the use of hose & hose-reels is generally considered less than desirable for all sorts of reasons. Regardless of the existing hose/hose-reels, has YOUR FRA identified the hose & hose-reels as an essential part of YOUR fire risk management strategy? If Yes, get them sorted; if No, disconnect and remove! Frank Hallett
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#8 Posted : 11 March 2009 13:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By graeme12345 British Standard BS5306 Part 3 2000 for ext's you can train one of your employees up to carry out the annual and monthly inspections. best thing you can do as it will be a quality service and save hundreds Most companies that carry out these duties try it on shall we say, an engineer will turn up unannounced carry out the inspection ,replace a few parts then ask anyone to sign it then leave, you will only get the bill later, and you will not know what has been carried out, why and at what cost, and because it will take you so long and is to complicated to check with all involved you just pay the bill and so it goes on and on and on.If you catch the engineer he will state he does not know the prices that's why the costs are not identified and they will put the prices on at the office
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#9 Posted : 11 March 2009 14:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steve Cartwright Raymond's not far off the mark. You can carryout weekly/monthly visual inspections. Anual inspection will depend on what type of extinguisher it is. CO2 weigh it, check the hose is clear, replace O ring on hose, check for signs of damage and you can read the writing. Every 10 years do a discharge test and then it has to be factory filled. They will also do a pressure test. Stored Pressure water/foam/powder, again weigh it, check pressure guage is working, check hose is clear and not damaged, replace O ring on hose, writing is legable and do a discharge test every 5 years. When ext is empty check inside for any signs of corrosion, if ok fill it back up and pressurise it. If they have a gas cartridge mainly the same as above apart from you have to take it apart and weigh the gas cartridge on a yearly basis and check for signs of corrision inside anually.
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#10 Posted : 11 March 2009 17:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By GaryD001 Frank, Many thanks for advice on hoses - our FRA has indeed, identified we have sufficient extinguishers to offer a suitable response to a limited and early fire, however the "feel good factor" (i.e. I have something thats got the ability to deliver huge amounts of water and definetly put the fire out) is one, that for others is a comfort and therefore they argue to put pressure (pardon the pun) on the landlord to refurb the hoses. Very aware we dont want to turn people into firemen rather, get them to a place of safety to be a storeman another day. In light of advice, I think we should get them removed?
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#11 Posted : 11 March 2009 18:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By STEPHEN81 My two cents, when getting your fire extinguishers serviced make sure the service provider is BAFE accredited & also the technicians are BAFE certified, your insurance company will ask this question. When you get the bill by the way, ALWAYS ALWAYS query it! I've saved up to 40% by doing this.
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#12 Posted : 07 April 2009 21:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By nim If the logic of some posters was followed to the nth degree then you wouldn't employ competent people to do anything because you would train yourself or a member of staff and save fortunes. Just think. You could become a qualified gas installer/technician and service/install your own boiler. You could also train the same member of staff to service the photocopier and the company vehicles and the fire alarm and the emergency lighting and the telephone system and it goes on and on. How much is it going to cost to train that member of staff to become competent to maintain the fire extinguishers? A week off of work plus the cost of the tools and manuals and British Standards and the three year refresher course? To save £70 plus?
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#13 Posted : 08 April 2009 01:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim To answer the initial question - it is not simple. There are so many variables here that apart from stating that annual inspection is required you cannot state what has to be inspected. Leave that to the experts.
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#14 Posted : 16 April 2009 07:04:00(UTC)
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Posted By peterlee The engineer needs to be FETA qualified to be able to check the extinguisher correctly, it does not matter if they are a member of BAFE as they do not directly train the engineers .. they then have to re-sit their FETA exam every three years (FETA is part of the FIA) ... as for the rip offs - not all companies do that, some like mine have fully inclusive prices that are soooo low that it makes you wonder why anybody would use the bigger companies ...
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