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#1 Posted : 16 March 2009 11:40:00(UTC)
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Posted By vickerap I wonder if anyone could please advise on whether a particular repetitive minor demolition activity that occurs within our refurbishments are notifiable under the CDM regs. Firstly, some background information: The main building is 7 stories above ground level and 2 below. The structure is a steel (encased in concrete) framed structure with the building space divided by hollow pot block walls plastered both sides from the floor level to the underside of the beam. The walls are of a total finished thickness of 150mm. The height of each wall is 4.25m. The maximum length of one of these walls is 8 metres with this dimension being the distance between columns. The walls are not load bearing. Now for the question: The building is divided throughout by these walls, however we are regularly removing the walls to open up restricted spaces and to form more flexible space and improving our space utilisation. Could anyone please confirm whether (and to what levels) these dismantling activities will require notification under an F10? I have contacted the HSE for advice but got a non-commital, generic response. Many thanks.
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#2 Posted : 16 March 2009 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike the bike Reading between the lines, am I right to assume that you may be thinking about the old '94 CDM regs? Apologies if I am mistaken. Under the 2007 CDM regs you would only need to notify the HSE on an F10 if your wall demolition project was going to last more than 30 days or 500 person days of shift work. If not, you don't need to notify.
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#3 Posted : 16 March 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel Whilst not having much detail etc to scope an answer on here goes: If many such activities are ongoing together and /or one stops and another one starts within 6 months of each other [proximity] and overall where you add the parameters [hours etc] of each job together then notification will be needed/ not needed as the case may be and the spirit of the law shall be adhered to. Simply splitting up the various jobs and calling them 'one-offs' may not be sufficient for you not to notify However this is where you need to create a case for your defence / justification towards the enforcers where you do not always notify as whilst technically you may come under the notification parts of the regs in the real world there are always the grey areas and you have to have answers for these grey areas just in case Irrespective of the CDM regs you still need an adequate management system in place especially for demolition. This management system should, form the basis of your defence towards the enforcers should you ever need one where you did not feel that a job was notifiable
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#4 Posted : 16 March 2009 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Rodger Alan Ker The Project may or may not be "Notifiable" However, the CDM Regulations will still apply. The fact that a CDMC has not been appointed will mean that someone else Client/Principal Contractor will have to ask the question that they would have raised. This type of work is potentially very hazardous. BEWARE.
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#5 Posted : 16 March 2009 13:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By peter gotch Hi Vickerap. Presume you realise that all parts of CDM other than Regs 14-24 will apply if the work is not notifiable, and that Reg 29 requires that the arrangements for demolition to be recorded in writing e.g. in the form of a method statement. Regards, Peter
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#6 Posted : 16 March 2009 23:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Your whole Refurbishment Project sounds to be a Notifiable Project. The discrete taking down of the individual partition walls are not so. As others suggest, you may be confusing things with "old" 1994 CDM Regs.?
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