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Posted By David Morgan
Assistance required from CDM coordinators / Designers. I have checked the ACOP relating to the CDM regs but I am still unsure whether you have to have written proof that health and safety requirements have been considered at the design stage of a project. (Booked on the nebosh construction cert in August) The problem I have is that a cdm coordinator is asking for proof that we have considered health and safety requirements for a project that is due to start imminently. The cdm coordinator was not appointed early enough in the project (for a number of reasons) to be involved at the design stage. We have asked the cdmc to come in for a meeting and talk through every stage of the design. Can anyone confirm if (so long as the cdmc is happy with what we tell him) this is sufficient with regard to meeting the design requirements of the regs? Any feedback greatly appreciated.
For future projects I have implemented a procedure that ensures we document all design meetings, more specifically health and safety issues relating to the design.
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Posted By Bob Youel
another requirement of the law is to ensure adequate time is allowed and it appears that you have failed in that area. So for the future concentrate on all the aspects of the law not just the design bits
The CDMC is right in their actions and you are lucky that a CDMC will take on a job that is so far progressed
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Posted By Ron Hunter
A meeting with the CDM-C should help on this occasion, however Meetings and records of Meetings are not in themselves going to satisfy all the requirements of Reg 11 of CDM.
A Project "Risk Register" can work well.
You also need to consider how best to communicate (to those who need to know)the significant risks arising from the design which are either unusual (e.g. a construction sequence) or which the competent contractor could not be reasonably expected to know about. In some instances (particularly where the risk arises at the construction or demolition phase), it is preferable to highlight the issue on the scheme drawings.
A common failing by designers is not looking beyond the construction phase, where those who maintain, clean and ultimately demolish the structure may be at risk. Ideally of course, the CDM-C would be there to direct, cajole and remind.
Perhaps the CDM-C in this instance seeks particular assurance about the significant & unusual risks. For some Projects of course, there may be none.
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Posted By Pete Sutton
I work for a company with approx 150 designers covering lots of different projects... to be fair the guys keep me in the loop as much as possible and i attend as many design review meetings as i can..
I take a register and minutes where possible...sometimes i just have a quick review of designs so far and talk over any issues noticed, some trivial some not...
Our designers are in the main very well trained are pretty hot on hazard checklists and designing out any significant issues.. so not much for me to review to be fair... jobs a good un
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Posted By David Morgan
Cheers Pete, any chance of a look at the format your designers use for the hazard list
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Posted By al wood
not long ago the HSE had a campaign to raise the awareness of designers i think it was called " designers can do more" and this had some success however i feel that the good work done by that campaign has fallen by the way side since the inception of the revised CDM regs.
we are still seeing designers specifying items such as heavy concrete lintels for use in various types of buildings along with blocks weighing over 20 kilos.
the above have also got past the scrutinity of the CDMc and the first our company finds out about these products is when we actually have to fit them.
comments please.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Al - nothing wrong with specifying the heavier product where jusitfied- the Designer may well have his reasons (although I agree sometimes they get it wrong).
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