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Posted By philip john
School playground child found unconscious on the floor, suspected that he hit his head on a unprotected post requires brain scan.
I'm quite sure this is reportable under RIDDOR can anyone please confirm my suspicions.
Phil
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Guide to RIDDOR section 45 for persons not at work incl pupils - only reportable if taken directly from premises where accident occurred to hospital even if not taken by ambulance
For persons at work unconsciousness is one of the major injury classes so for persons at work would be reportable but not for those not at work unless those not at work suffered major injury as a result of accident in an hospital. Straightforward really. Regulation 3 applies but HSE publication L73 is easiest way to check this.
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Posted By stephen d clarke
Hi,
Did the accident arise out of or in connection with school AND did it result in the pupil being taken from the school to hospital by whatever means. If both apply it is RIDDOR reportable? I guess the first question is critical in deciding as the child will have been taken to hospital from school. In answering the first question was the accident the result of poor or lack of supervision at playtime/classtime/sports; was the accident due to poor or lack of maintenance to the school premises/playground/corridor/classroom etc; was the accident due to violence from another pupil/other person? If it was just a very unfortunate accident in the general rough and tumble of the playground I would say, hesitantly, it is not RIDDOR reportable, perhaps it should be. In conclusion if in doubt report it or speak to the HSE.
Steve
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Posted By Juan Carlos Arias
Injury to people not at work:(pupil or student)reportable if:
A. results from accident arising out of or in connection with work (I suppose this might be the case)
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B.Results in them being taken from the premises where the accident occurred to a hospital. by whatever means - taxi, private car or ambulance.
I'd say it is reportable.
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Posted By philip john
The child in question, did not have an ambulance called for by the school?????????
The grandmother ended up taking the child to hospital where it looks like he will be hospitalised for 24 hrs.
So it looks like riddor does apply
Regards
Phil
Do you guys agree
PS I always value IOSH members views
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Posted By naomi Hi Philip I'm a health and safety advisor for schools and it's usually the case if the accident happened on the playground (recreational time) then it is not reportable: Playground accidents Playground accidents due to collisions, slips, trips and falls are not normally reportable unless they happen out of work or in connection with work, eg because of: ? the condition of the premises or equipment; ? inadequate supervision. If it is the case child hit the unprotected post and it had been assessed this was a forseeable injury then yes I would report. I always believe when things like this happen it is best to report to RIDDOR. Simple slips and trips in playground do not need to be RIDDOR If you call the Incident Contact Centre they would probably tell you to RIDDOR as a precaution anyway. This is the link to Education reporting. http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/edis1.pdfHope it helps Naomi
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Posted By Peter F
Phillip'
24 hrs hospitalisation does not apply to a member of the public, but only to someone working.
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Posted By Bob Youel
undertake an investigation and keep your notes as children accidents can come back to you a long time after the event!
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Posted By SteveD-M
I would agree with Bob here accident investigation and the reasons for the staff members actions at the time will be key.
The RIDDOR report is could divert you from the key issues.
Investigate - find the route cause - prevent.
Prepare for potential claims action - update diaries etc.
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Posted By philip john
Yes I believe this accident was foreseeable as other posts in the playground are protected (but not all posts) so they knew there was a potential for this accident to happen)
PS thanks Naomi for the PDF
Peter I know it does apply to member of the public if it happens in a place of work i.e. Caravan park(s) etc
All your replies are appreciated and as I said IOSH members views are valued by myself.
Regards
Phil
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Posted By Peter F
Phil,
sorry I meant the 24hrs do not matter, if a member of public is taken to hospital due to an injury in connection with work. it has to be reported anyway even if they only spend an hour. laughable regarding the hour I know, since whenhas anyone only spent an hour in A&E. 24 hrs is only if you are an employee or employed to do the task
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Posted By Phil Rose Philip Have a look at HSE Education sheet no 1 which you can find at http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/edis1.pdfIt says - Playground accidents Playground accidents due to collisions, slips, trips and falls are not normally reportable unless they happen out of work or in connection with work, eg because of: ? the condition of the premises or equipment; ? inadequate supervision. Hope this helps Phil
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Posted By Phil Rose
Sorry - I see Naomi had already provided that - ooooppss
Phil
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