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Posted By Trevor Anstey
Hi
I apologise for the nature of this enquiry but I'd like an informed opinion.
Should we risk assess our toilets?
A colleague believes we should, but Im of the school of thought that we have a cleaning rota in place, safety inspections are completed & documented & any findings (such as broken toilet seats) are also documented & resolved & we have a good hazard reporting system in place
I just feel that you have to draw the line somewhere
Polite answers on a postcard please
Thanks
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Posted By SteveD-M
Trying to hold back...but
How much work activity goes on in your toilets?
Seriously I would tend to say that although focusing specifically on toilets isn't necessarily the right thing. I would be looking for some sort of workplace assessment covering the key items relating to suitability of the workplace and welfare arrangements. Following the guidance given in the workplace health safety and welfare regs.
http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/indg244.pdf
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Posted By chrisroyal
Trevor,
Agreed. In my opinion, it's taking risk assessment too far. Elvis might disagree though ;o)
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Posted By A Campbell
I agree... would be more interested in seeing RA for the cleaning of them myself!
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Posted By Trevor Anstey
Thanks guys, sometimes its nice to know your not going mad...
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Posted By Biggles473
Trevor,
I know how you feel we had our insurers ask if we had risk assessed our steps leading into the factory as someone slipped and fell by her own admission by not holding the handrail, it was nothing to do with the steps.
Let's get a grip on things that are really important and ignore the insignificant risks...although a splinter off an old wooden seat sharpens the mind a bit!
Biggles473
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Posted By safetyamateur
Toilet issues that spring to mind are slips/trips and hygiene.
I wouldn't carry out a risk assessment on the toilets as such but those issues above would appear on my slips/trips assessment, for example.
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Posted By Crim
Not to risk assess the toilets would be a management failure. What about the toilets visitors/members of public may use?
However, You have to remember only to record the main findings.
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Posted By Peter F
What ever happened to 'keep it real' if we start looking at toilets, cups of tea, walking up and down stairs, what happens to the real issues within workplaces. We can't win, if we risk assess the toilets people will laugh and if we don't there's always those that will ask why.
What training are you going to give him, maybe give him constant supervision, and don't forget the instruction. Maybe hold a toilet training day, I know they run courses at my local nursery.
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Posted By Richard Altoft
Reg 3 of MHSW says assess "risks to H&S of employees (and others of course) to which they are exposed whilst at work. Also says record significant findings etc.
My usual practice is to do a "top down" or undertaking or company wide assessment incl such things as access and egress and welfare facilities and use that to flag up the most significant issues which I then assess separately in appropriate detail.
That often throws up risks that no one had covered before such as the security guy, the cleaners, travel by staff on business, delivery drivers on the premises or effects of bad weather since the risk assessors previously had only looked at isolated items such as each piece of equipment or each chemical and not looked at the bigger picture.
So what you assess in detail depends on risks but in life sometimes things are done because someone wants them doing such as insurers.
R
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Posted By Phil Rose
Trevor
This may sound slightly flippant, but it is not intended to. If you haven't got anything better to do then go ahead and assess, but I would guess that you have bigger fish to fry - I certainly have.
Take the time to have a look at http://www.hse.gov.uk/risk/principles.htm
Phil
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Posted By Alan Nicholls
Not as stupid as it sounds.
Remember a recent prosecution of Fast food provider.
Trapped hand in wrongly fitted toilet door, member of the public received broken fingers I seem to remember.
However this is quite an isolated case. Most would say assess the whole welfare provision, record revisit or forget it. ONLY if there is NO SIGNIFICANT RISK.
Regards Alan
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Posted By Eddie
Trevor,
It seems that in some ways you have answered your own question.
If as you say "we have a cleaning rota in place, safety inspections are completed & documented & any findings (such as broken toilet seats) are also documented & resolved & we have a good hazard reporting system in place"
Then at some point somebody must have thought about what could go wrong and then decided that these were the appropriate measures to manage the risk.
Hope this doesn't come across as a bit of a smart alec answer as it is not meant in that way.
Regards
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Posted By Adam Worth
Richard and Eddie both give good answers...
My Friday thoughts -
COSHH - Bleach (base) + Urine (Acid) = !
Legionella???
Disposal of bio hazard waste??
is it the weekend yet?
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